Message from @Cuccolover
Discord ID: 684893859288973340
That grew out of the diocese system put in place by emperor dicoclecian
Stands had representation in government
Then was further codified by Constantine
and that was done through clergy
And the various liturgical councils that were presided over by the Roman emperor
It was done through clergy near the end of the empire, but that was very much a means to an end
They used Christianity to consolidate power; they didn’t consolidate power because of Christianity.
Which is like, my whole point.
but essentially, the ranking system you referred to
your argument is that duke is latin and was used by rome
turns out, was used completely differently
If you want to learn about this stuff I recommend checking out the history of Rome podcast
so was the word nobility and that entire class system
they didn't have such power nor rule
No, it’s that the actual reason that dukes called themselves dukes
Was to claim that Roman title authority
Same with Emperor
So wait your argument is that the codified peerage system was based on religion therefore any war about the rights of nobility is a war about religion?
Is that your argument?
no it appears that the ranking system as demonstrated in Rome was made from the "first men" concept
What ranking system?
Patrician and Plebs
Oh that was only an early republic thing
There were so many rich plebs and poor patricians by the fall of the empire that no one super cared about those distinctions, certainly not outside of Italy
And Greece
But to answer your question, I wouldn’t say that Rome was “overthrown”
No but wasn't Christianity the reason Rome fell at all
As much as it decayed
The short answer is no.
That was Gibbon’s theory, but it’s not given a lot of credence these days
welp then I'm now really gonna go then
we'll agree to disagree
Lol
Oh I would love to hear your *well informed* opinion about how Christianity caused the fall of the empire
I’m sure it will be well researched and not a random spouting of semi-related Wikipedia articles
Goodnight 😘
Your duke definition didn't come from wikipedia?
May wanna stop shooting yourself in the foot
Oh, I knew that off the top of my head
Goodnight 😊