nope

you realise almost *all* of the eastern bloc tried the same system

Don't touch my shit or I'll stab you @Green Syndicalism @Green Syndicalism

which is a dumb system btw

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Your mom's a dumb system

cuba, vietnam and china tried a version very similar to it too

laos

the only country that tried a system of socialism *not premised on planning* was yugoslavia

and its very hard to analyse their failure because the IMF was involved pretty heavily

but i do think they had a lot of bad regulations

yeah yeah

fuck you're dumb

I don't know what your talking about

exactly

So maybe I should leave

>china tried s system of socialism very similar to it too
Uh, you should learn abour socialism in china more

GG @LegendaryFox, you just advanced to level 3!

did i say they were the same? nope

they had "maoism"

Very similar

which is literally a variant on ML

so if its comes out of ML, is it really evidence that socialism doesnt work? or is it just more evidence that ML doesnt work?

i think its the latter

Socialism is smart

you kinda do have to be smart to envision an entirely new paradigm of existence

whether it works or not is a separate question

but when people call socialists dumb, i think they lack imagination/understanding

Pointing to examples where countries already had other problems (that their shoddy implementation of socialism certainly didn't solve) is pretty low hanging fruit when it comes to debating it's merits

yea exactly

im still not aware of a first world country that attempted socialism

and its clear that first, second and third world countries each have their own set of issues to deal with

economically speaking

but theres also dozens of different socialist models out there, the fact only a few variants of a particular type of socialism were attempted, hasnt provided any serious amount of evidence that the entire body of socialist thought is bunk

And aspects of socialism that ARE introduced in first world countries are in general successful and well-received by people

i mean social democracy itself was a form of socialism initially

and yet social democracy has thrived

its frustrating that the media is such a propaganda mouthpiece. it ruins discourse on interesting debates

they dumb down everyone's understanding and approach to political ideologies

As far as I'm concerned... There is a certain standard (that is pretty high) that must be upheld before any socialism should be enacted. Anyone who taking out more than what they putting in are incompatible and must be removed.

Starting with cripples like @Green Syndicalism