Message from @Sh0t

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2019-10-28 14:22:44 UTC  

ESPECIALLY under a scenario like that, i would not want any sort of 'specialist investor' who thinks he knows this is a good idea

2019-10-28 14:22:50 UTC  

wut

2019-10-28 14:23:12 UTC  

a specialist investor with multiple mandates is absolutely better than a dumb idiot buying shares of amazon

2019-10-28 14:23:21 UTC  

(because he doesnt know any better)

2019-10-28 14:24:12 UTC  

a specialist investors, if he is a real professional, will understand markets are about edge and not 'picking winners', and should be very hestitate to get public money involved in any of this. see calsters, calpers, etc and all their issues

2019-10-28 14:24:24 UTC  

its not about edge when you have multiple mandates

2019-10-28 14:24:25 UTC  

governments playing catchup because they refused to do things the honest way and sock it away

2019-10-28 14:24:28 UTC  

you are so fucking dense

2019-10-28 14:24:44 UTC  

also he literally has a public mandate to get money involved

2019-10-28 14:24:51 UTC  

'edge' is how we make our money on the markets, unless we are playing the venture capital style game, which is how some of those california funds got in trouble

2019-10-28 14:24:52 UTC  

and hes going to earn a % of the gains

2019-10-28 14:25:03 UTC  

so he has plenty of incentive to invest public money

2019-10-28 14:25:14 UTC  

what the fuck are you not understanding about multiple mandates

2019-10-28 14:25:18 UTC  

do you know what a fucking mandate is

2019-10-28 14:25:25 UTC  

a better way(much better way) to invest public money is just to spend the money on the projects the public wants

2019-10-28 14:25:44 UTC  

yes, that can be a mandate!

2019-10-28 14:25:52 UTC  

then there is no need for any other this stuff inbetween

2019-10-28 14:25:55 UTC  

but there is

2019-10-28 14:25:59 UTC  

you jsut give the money to DOT or whatever

2019-10-28 14:26:04 UTC  

and tell them to build roads

2019-10-28 14:26:10 UTC  

not gamble on stock market to get money to build roads

2019-10-28 14:26:12 UTC  

no but the world isnt just roads

2019-10-28 14:26:12 UTC  

unnecessary steps

2019-10-28 14:26:18 UTC  

we need organisations

2019-10-28 14:26:19 UTC  

industries

2019-10-28 14:26:36 UTC  

and part of this process involves exiting occasionally to pursue new goals

2019-10-28 14:26:40 UTC  

dot can spend the money at various contractors if they are trying to spread the economic activity around, etc

2019-10-28 14:26:46 UTC  

no need for any financialization

2019-10-28 14:26:52 UTC  

..........

2019-10-28 14:27:30 UTC  

there is a need for financialisation to some degree, because pecuniary incentives create incentives to grow and innovate

2019-10-28 14:27:43 UTC  

which is something i want

2019-10-28 14:27:58 UTC  

the government is not constrained by that, they can simple fund the contracts and tax the economic activity that results from building the infrastructure

2019-10-28 14:28:01 UTC  

and we're not gambling on the stock market to build roads

2019-10-28 14:28:06 UTC  

you realise a government STILL EXISTS

2019-10-28 14:28:19 UTC  

these public banks exist instead of private ones

2019-10-28 14:28:19 UTC  

sure, the gov existing makes this whole trip even less 'necessary'

2019-10-28 14:28:24 UTC  

no it doesnt though

2019-10-28 14:29:29 UTC  

this kind of stuff is how governments get in trouble. governments shoudl stick to what they do best, which is NOT operating on a profit/loss basis

2019-10-28 14:29:43 UTC  

the whole point of keeping a stock market and professional investors with pecuniary incentives is to keep the structure of society not only intact (historical skillsets are bad to dispel because of unemployment and civil unrest), but also for purposes of innovation and improvement of everyday products with monetary incentives

2019-10-28 14:29:46 UTC  

the incentives of government and taxation really don't support using that model

2019-10-28 14:30:01 UTC  

governments shouldnt operate on profit/loss bases, stop strawmanning this system