Message from @Green Syndicalism

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2019-10-28 14:19:26 UTC  

You haven't described any reason to have a 'social bank' yet

2019-10-28 14:20:19 UTC  

and when you are talking about a bank you are makign some assumptions about the monetary system, etc, which is a whole other can of worms

2019-10-28 14:20:52 UTC  

a) specialist investors perform better than clueless normies in markets
b) socially owned banks can have wider mandates than typical corporate mandates, such as regional development goals, a focus on restoring environment, etc
c) this isnt private, its social. its meant to include the whole of society mostly equally in the process of wealth accumulation as the economy grows

2019-10-28 14:21:29 UTC  

if there are some social welfare goals, the honest way to fund it is direct monetization

2019-10-28 14:21:37 UTC  

bruh

2019-10-28 14:21:40 UTC  

stop whitewashing

2019-10-28 14:21:55 UTC  

socially owned banks are clearly a way for these things to be achieved

2019-10-28 14:22:13 UTC  

and its broader than just a question of "welfare"

2019-10-28 14:22:18 UTC  

if the goal is to gamble on this replica stock market in order to make returns in order ot finance these projects?

2019-10-28 14:22:44 UTC  

ESPECIALLY under a scenario like that, i would not want any sort of 'specialist investor' who thinks he knows this is a good idea

2019-10-28 14:22:50 UTC  

wut

2019-10-28 14:23:12 UTC  

a specialist investor with multiple mandates is absolutely better than a dumb idiot buying shares of amazon

2019-10-28 14:23:21 UTC  

(because he doesnt know any better)

2019-10-28 14:24:12 UTC  

a specialist investors, if he is a real professional, will understand markets are about edge and not 'picking winners', and should be very hestitate to get public money involved in any of this. see calsters, calpers, etc and all their issues

2019-10-28 14:24:24 UTC  

its not about edge when you have multiple mandates

2019-10-28 14:24:25 UTC  

governments playing catchup because they refused to do things the honest way and sock it away

2019-10-28 14:24:28 UTC  

you are so fucking dense

2019-10-28 14:24:44 UTC  

also he literally has a public mandate to get money involved

2019-10-28 14:24:51 UTC  

'edge' is how we make our money on the markets, unless we are playing the venture capital style game, which is how some of those california funds got in trouble

2019-10-28 14:24:52 UTC  

and hes going to earn a % of the gains

2019-10-28 14:25:03 UTC  

so he has plenty of incentive to invest public money

2019-10-28 14:25:14 UTC  

what the fuck are you not understanding about multiple mandates

2019-10-28 14:25:18 UTC  

do you know what a fucking mandate is

2019-10-28 14:25:25 UTC  

a better way(much better way) to invest public money is just to spend the money on the projects the public wants

2019-10-28 14:25:44 UTC  

yes, that can be a mandate!

2019-10-28 14:25:52 UTC  

then there is no need for any other this stuff inbetween

2019-10-28 14:25:55 UTC  

but there is

2019-10-28 14:25:59 UTC  

you jsut give the money to DOT or whatever

2019-10-28 14:26:04 UTC  

and tell them to build roads

2019-10-28 14:26:10 UTC  

not gamble on stock market to get money to build roads

2019-10-28 14:26:12 UTC  

no but the world isnt just roads

2019-10-28 14:26:12 UTC  

unnecessary steps

2019-10-28 14:26:18 UTC  

we need organisations

2019-10-28 14:26:19 UTC  

industries

2019-10-28 14:26:36 UTC  

and part of this process involves exiting occasionally to pursue new goals

2019-10-28 14:26:40 UTC  

dot can spend the money at various contractors if they are trying to spread the economic activity around, etc

2019-10-28 14:26:46 UTC  

no need for any financialization

2019-10-28 14:26:52 UTC  

..........

2019-10-28 14:27:30 UTC  

there is a need for financialisation to some degree, because pecuniary incentives create incentives to grow and innovate

2019-10-28 14:27:43 UTC  

which is something i want

2019-10-28 14:27:58 UTC  

the government is not constrained by that, they can simple fund the contracts and tax the economic activity that results from building the infrastructure