Message from @Green Syndicalism

Discord ID: 638383478500753448


2019-10-28 14:25:14 UTC  

what the fuck are you not understanding about multiple mandates

2019-10-28 14:25:18 UTC  

do you know what a fucking mandate is

2019-10-28 14:25:25 UTC  

a better way(much better way) to invest public money is just to spend the money on the projects the public wants

2019-10-28 14:25:44 UTC  

yes, that can be a mandate!

2019-10-28 14:25:52 UTC  

then there is no need for any other this stuff inbetween

2019-10-28 14:25:55 UTC  

but there is

2019-10-28 14:25:59 UTC  

you jsut give the money to DOT or whatever

2019-10-28 14:26:04 UTC  

and tell them to build roads

2019-10-28 14:26:10 UTC  

not gamble on stock market to get money to build roads

2019-10-28 14:26:12 UTC  

no but the world isnt just roads

2019-10-28 14:26:12 UTC  

unnecessary steps

2019-10-28 14:26:18 UTC  

we need organisations

2019-10-28 14:26:19 UTC  

industries

2019-10-28 14:26:36 UTC  

and part of this process involves exiting occasionally to pursue new goals

2019-10-28 14:26:40 UTC  

dot can spend the money at various contractors if they are trying to spread the economic activity around, etc

2019-10-28 14:26:46 UTC  

no need for any financialization

2019-10-28 14:26:52 UTC  

..........

2019-10-28 14:27:30 UTC  

there is a need for financialisation to some degree, because pecuniary incentives create incentives to grow and innovate

2019-10-28 14:27:43 UTC  

which is something i want

2019-10-28 14:27:58 UTC  

the government is not constrained by that, they can simple fund the contracts and tax the economic activity that results from building the infrastructure

2019-10-28 14:28:01 UTC  

and we're not gambling on the stock market to build roads

2019-10-28 14:28:06 UTC  

you realise a government STILL EXISTS

2019-10-28 14:28:19 UTC  

these public banks exist instead of private ones

2019-10-28 14:28:19 UTC  

sure, the gov existing makes this whole trip even less 'necessary'

2019-10-28 14:28:24 UTC  

no it doesnt though

2019-10-28 14:29:29 UTC  

this kind of stuff is how governments get in trouble. governments shoudl stick to what they do best, which is NOT operating on a profit/loss basis

2019-10-28 14:29:43 UTC  

the whole point of keeping a stock market and professional investors with pecuniary incentives is to keep the structure of society not only intact (historical skillsets are bad to dispel because of unemployment and civil unrest), but also for purposes of innovation and improvement of everyday products with monetary incentives

2019-10-28 14:29:46 UTC  

the incentives of government and taxation really don't support using that model

2019-10-28 14:30:01 UTC  

governments shouldnt operate on profit/loss bases, stop strawmanning this system

2019-10-28 14:30:10 UTC  

to take advantage of having a stock markets, etc, society needs many 'losers', and you dont want your gov fund being one of those and statistically, there is a good chance it will be

2019-10-28 14:30:11 UTC  

government exists SEPARATE to these public banks

2019-10-28 14:30:36 UTC  

and guess what, governments can bail shit out if they need to

2019-10-28 14:30:41 UTC  

they can nationalise shit

2019-10-28 14:30:47 UTC  

that's not a straw man, by putting public funds in these stock market playing banks, you are inviting in the profit /loss system

2019-10-28 14:30:56 UTC  

well if you can do that, why bother with this intermeditate unnecessary step

2019-10-28 14:30:57 UTC  

as i said above

2019-10-28 14:31:02 UTC  

just finance the project you want

2019-10-28 14:31:09 UTC  

tax the economic activity afterwards

2019-10-28 14:31:18 UTC  

but youve literally ignored ALL the reasons for this system by saying its unneccessary

2019-10-28 14:31:26 UTC  

youve addressed absolutely none of the reasons for why its good

2019-10-28 14:31:52 UTC  

whats it like to be this fucking dumb