Message from @Throttles

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2019-10-29 15:07:26 UTC  

New Jason Stanley book does a good job 'defining' fascism imo

2019-10-29 15:07:35 UTC  

nazism is a FORM of fascism, but fascism isnt necessarily nazism

2019-10-29 15:07:40 UTC  

Mussolini and Franco were the Nazi equivalent in their nations

2019-10-29 15:07:43 UTC  

no

2019-10-29 15:07:47 UTC  

YesZ

2019-10-29 15:07:54 UTC  

nazism includes eugenic ideology

2019-10-29 15:07:57 UTC  

They were closely allied, had meetings together

2019-10-29 15:07:59 UTC  

fascism isnt necessarily eugenic

2019-10-29 15:08:02 UTC  

Fallacy of false equivalence.

2019-10-29 15:08:02 UTC  

GG @Throttles, you just advanced to level 6!

2019-10-29 15:08:15 UTC  

this is just pure dishonesty

2019-10-29 15:08:20 UTC  

Fascism is necessarily ethnostatic

2019-10-29 15:08:34 UTC  

and that doesnt mean eugenics

2019-10-29 15:08:38 UTC  

or jew hating

2019-10-29 15:08:42 UTC  

Eugenics is just an extension of that

2019-10-29 15:08:43 UTC  

or hating disabled people

2019-10-29 15:08:50 UTC  

yes its an EXTENSION

2019-10-29 15:08:54 UTC  

its not INHERENT

2019-10-29 15:09:12 UTC  

Certainly all three you mentioned were antisemitic

2019-10-29 15:09:29 UTC  

mussolini turned against jews because hitler wanted him to

2019-10-29 15:09:32 UTC  

Sophie, I told you that fascism is the political application of Gentile's actual idealism. Not if you want to go by the canonical definition of the actual philosopher of fascism, is up to you.

2019-10-29 15:09:33 UTC  

not because mussolini wanted to

2019-10-29 15:09:44 UTC  

Is that an important distinction?

2019-10-29 15:09:46 UTC  

yes

2019-10-29 15:09:57 UTC  

mussolini wasnt anti semitic

2019-10-29 15:10:02 UTC  

It is not. He had political pressure to do so, so he did

2019-10-29 15:10:05 UTC  

it was an opportunistic policy

2019-10-29 15:10:05 UTC  

Yes, he was.

2019-10-29 15:10:14 UTC  

its not a belief in jews being legit bad

2019-10-29 15:10:17 UTC  

Yes, because he was a Nazi

2019-10-29 15:10:20 UTC  

but he wasnt

2019-10-29 15:10:21 UTC  

lmao

2019-10-29 15:10:25 UTC  

That is not an important political distinction

2019-10-29 15:10:28 UTC  

this is literally peak dishonesty

2019-10-29 15:10:32 UTC  

to be fair, most nazis werent racists either, they just wanted to get paid

2019-10-29 15:10:41 UTC  

hitler was an 'idealist' but not all of them were

2019-10-29 15:10:43 UTC  

no but the nazist ideology was racist

2019-10-29 15:10:49 UTC  

many under him were just pure cynics

2019-10-29 15:10:49 UTC  

if you believed the ideology you were racist

2019-10-29 15:10:53 UTC  

We’re talking about the actions of a party

2019-10-29 15:11:05 UTC  

like you could be in the nazi party without believing in nazism