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the same Kapitalism
they all read the same texts
shame they got only 2%
what afucking joke
You can read stuff without practicing it or paying heed to it
I cant believe only 2% of his beliefs were practiced give me the other 98% pls
what was practiced was mostly just using marx as a marketing slogan to grab power
Leninism for example directly went against what marx said about passing through stages
so give me the other 98% of policies not adopted
Entire Bolshevik faction was refutation of some of his main ideas, at least as for as positive action was concerned
Much of what he talked about wasn't policy , it was analysis, building up a framework of system dynamics
They refuted economic and social collectivism and class warfare too?
Marx talked passing through the stages, the Bolsheviks were dramatically opposed to that. The Mensheviks were the 'marxists' and they got kicked out
Thats what the october coup was, the bolsheviks executing a coup against the Mensheviks
Even that isn't to say that many political and economic stances of marxism werent adopted
just because they coup a seperate faction of communists doesnt mean that they wont didn't adopt policies
well that's exactly what happened, the Bolshevik's opposed transitioning Russia into a capitalist economy first
that was what the fight between the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks was about
Kerensky lost, Lenin took over, and Bolshevism created the USSR
Lenin and Co were like corrupt people using Jesus as their marketing mascot, but dont care about the poor, pissing on the Beatitudes, etc
Literally the only major difference between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks was the rate of change at which they wanted to progress society
policy wise they were almost entirely similar
that's a big difference, it's like going from ice to steam without becoming water first
Also
Lenin didnt use Jesus as a marketing tool at all
what the fuck is that even supposed to mean
the most Atheistic political group in Russia
It was a comparison
read the line again
I get that Lenin and Co very funny
Im simply saying the comparison was poor at best and entirely innacurate
but it's not just about 'rate of change', as marx wrote about later, he understood, in a fuzzy way, that a complex system is not just a simple system multiplied
The argument is entirely about rate of change and even you acknowledged that earlier
It's a good comparison, and it's often what happens with Marxism. The rejection of complex system thinking is easiest way to tell if something is Marxist or not, as in from Marx himself
When you are talking about those two particular parties
Same with Keynes
What peole called "Keynesian" is rarely anything Keynes himself would have agreed with, if you read his actual stuff
this started because you were saying that there were so few policies adopted by the Bolsheviks that 98% of marx's policies were ignored
No i did not agree
that is a blatant lie
It's not just about rate of change, it's about phase changes