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2019-11-24 22:54:17 UTC  

the same Kapitalism

2019-11-24 22:54:23 UTC  

they all read the same texts

2019-11-24 22:54:30 UTC  

shame they got only 2%

2019-11-24 22:54:33 UTC  

what afucking joke

2019-11-24 22:54:44 UTC  

You can read stuff without practicing it or paying heed to it

2019-11-24 22:55:14 UTC  

I cant believe only 2% of his beliefs were practiced give me the other 98% pls

2019-11-24 22:55:30 UTC  

what was practiced was mostly just using marx as a marketing slogan to grab power

2019-11-24 22:55:54 UTC  

Leninism for example directly went against what marx said about passing through stages

2019-11-24 22:56:02 UTC  

so give me the other 98% of policies not adopted

2019-11-24 22:56:11 UTC  

Entire Bolshevik faction was refutation of some of his main ideas, at least as for as positive action was concerned

2019-11-24 22:56:33 UTC  

Much of what he talked about wasn't policy , it was analysis, building up a framework of system dynamics

2019-11-24 22:56:34 UTC  

They refuted economic and social collectivism and class warfare too?

2019-11-24 22:57:10 UTC  

Marx talked passing through the stages, the Bolsheviks were dramatically opposed to that. The Mensheviks were the 'marxists' and they got kicked out

2019-11-24 22:57:30 UTC  

Thats what the october coup was, the bolsheviks executing a coup against the Mensheviks

2019-11-24 22:58:02 UTC  

Even that isn't to say that many political and economic stances of marxism werent adopted

2019-11-24 22:58:31 UTC  

just because they coup a seperate faction of communists doesnt mean that they wont didn't adopt policies

2019-11-24 22:58:45 UTC  

well that's exactly what happened, the Bolshevik's opposed transitioning Russia into a capitalist economy first

2019-11-24 22:58:58 UTC  

that was what the fight between the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks was about

2019-11-24 22:59:26 UTC  

Kerensky lost, Lenin took over, and Bolshevism created the USSR

2019-11-24 23:00:43 UTC  

Lenin and Co were like corrupt people using Jesus as their marketing mascot, but dont care about the poor, pissing on the Beatitudes, etc

2019-11-24 23:01:09 UTC  

Literally the only major difference between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks was the rate of change at which they wanted to progress society

2019-11-24 23:01:19 UTC  

policy wise they were almost entirely similar

2019-11-24 23:01:31 UTC  

that's a big difference, it's like going from ice to steam without becoming water first

2019-11-24 23:01:36 UTC  

Also

2019-11-24 23:01:46 UTC  

Lenin didnt use Jesus as a marketing tool at all

2019-11-24 23:01:51 UTC  

what the fuck is that even supposed to mean

2019-11-24 23:02:08 UTC  

the most Atheistic political group in Russia

2019-11-24 23:02:14 UTC  

It was a comparison

2019-11-24 23:02:22 UTC  

read the line again

2019-11-24 23:02:37 UTC  

I get that Lenin and Co very funny

2019-11-24 23:02:55 UTC  

Im simply saying the comparison was poor at best and entirely innacurate

2019-11-24 23:03:11 UTC  

but it's not just about 'rate of change', as marx wrote about later, he understood, in a fuzzy way, that a complex system is not just a simple system multiplied

2019-11-24 23:03:57 UTC  

The argument is entirely about rate of change and even you acknowledged that earlier

2019-11-24 23:04:12 UTC  

It's a good comparison, and it's often what happens with Marxism. The rejection of complex system thinking is easiest way to tell if something is Marxist or not, as in from Marx himself

2019-11-24 23:04:12 UTC  

When you are talking about those two particular parties

2019-11-24 23:04:15 UTC  

Same with Keynes

2019-11-24 23:04:37 UTC  

What peole called "Keynesian" is rarely anything Keynes himself would have agreed with, if you read his actual stuff

2019-11-24 23:04:46 UTC  

this started because you were saying that there were so few policies adopted by the Bolsheviks that 98% of marx's policies were ignored

2019-11-24 23:04:47 UTC  

No i did not agree

2019-11-24 23:04:50 UTC  

that is a blatant lie

2019-11-24 23:04:59 UTC  

It's not just about rate of change, it's about phase changes