@Sh0t yep u need

thats how planes got invented

jet airplanes

people invent for all sorts of reasons, logistics people invent all the time

the advances get borrowed into the military sphere sometimes, sometimes the other way

war makes people more productive

the root issue is the credit expansion to fuel the experiments, you can't 'legislate' innovation

you need 50 experiments in parallel, some fail, some stick around and change the game

war is sometimes helpfull in the long run to humanity

it's an emergent phenomenom

without war some things wouldnt exist

like medicine

u get the best of humans but also the worst

@tuna hair extensions true

Peope are scared to die, medicine was always going to advance

well yeah

but war pushed its develpment

but that doesnt mean war is good

War just shifts the attention from one area to another

less on chronic, more on acute trauma

there is no free lunch, same with credit bubbles

im anti world peace not only because it is impossible but because it is bad for society

look at what the 'fuel race' did, now we are paying for it with carbon emissions

are you an Iron Mountain person?

Im not sure about we being the cause of climate change

GG @Hunter1300, you just advanced to level 4!

be sure about my friend, thermodynamics cannot be cheated

civilization is a heat engine, we can only radiatie away so much waste heat

also without war, humans wouldnt explore space

yeah but I mean humans only produce a little of all carbon on the atmosphere

@tuna hair extensions True

i don't think you need war to explore, the drive to find food etc encourages us to explore

space race

there would be no satellites

we produce a lot of carbon dioxide and many other even more powerful greenhouse gases

not as much as nature itself

we are pushing it beyond what 'nature' would have done, because we can ignore the negative feedback loops built into nature

maybe

no maybe about it

idk man

solar energy is the freebie, and the existing supernova created nuclear fuel. on the waste side, the earth radiates a certain amount of heat away