Yeah, true, not exclusive

and psychological dependence is a field itself in psychology and psychiatry

but we cannot blame compounds for that

its a human issue anyone can develop in the right circumstance

Unfortunately, many pharmaceutical drugs that are pretty much needed to cure some diseases are prone to causing psychological dependence

Ive been prescribed opioids before and taken them for extended periods for work related injuries and after losing the drug I felt miserable, I had the right brain to push through and not turn to the black market to support them and went through withdrawal

But you wont see me arguing to make those drugs illegal, some of my own research dealt with those drugs, some of my own clinicals saw people benefit from them

The point I am trying to make is that we have not done the right research even into compounds like CBD or THC

Let alone research into other psychedelics or other compounds

Porn like drugs can be addicting and have psychological defectives so its not a question of it being legal or illegal but stats have shown that there are different results like porn ruining marriages to men losing their restraint and moving more over to child porn to even causing incest or sexual abuses in public

Flat out banning something is a dangerous slippery slope

I still believe outright banning is better than outright allowing as a preemptive measure

Maybe we are just in the phase of transition

Preemptive maybe, I might agree to that, so long as we remain intellectually honest and allow proper research and laws to be put in place

and the means to defend users vs suppliers

Ive seen addiction in people firsthand and locking them away with no treatment is not right, its not, seeing lives ruined because someone couldnt be weened off a drug is horrible

But with the data available from places like Netherlands and Uruguay, I don't really think we are in an inevitable transition from prohibiting to allowing, at least in general

We should be focused on destroying the illegal market at the same time as we treat the victims

I agree to that too

I think we're getting closer to where I want to see things

A means to take a compound, research it, find alterations, alternatives, build systems of support, and make it work

but I also dont like seeing people go to jail because they get caught with a plant

I just think that in the end, we won't inevitably move towards legalization, many countries did that or similar, it didn't work

looking over to Netherlands as a justification to outlaw drugs is a mediocre take just as much as saying Universal Healthcare is good because Sweden has it

thats not the point of either of those results

https://media.tenor.com/images/7774a4a41003272cab2140ae4264e001/tenor.gif

I'm not only talking about Netherlands, just used as a popular example

I dont ask for legalization, I ask for proper regulations and proper research

I am biased, I am a STEM major and someone who has used

No one talks about Portugal when they talk about abortion for example

heh true

im just talking about that if youre looking over to another country as an example is a bad take because that would just regurgitate the same taking point of someone saying "well communism hasnt been tried here"

I just think that even after even more research we will still be in a place where most drugs will remain mostly outlawed

I can't see a country or a world where LSD or ecstasy is legally sold, for example

Weed? Not quite, but hard to tell, considering we are talking about 20 something years in the future

But taking from fresh evidence, I don't think it will

nah I dont rely on countries much, I look at what our country is founded on vs what I know to work in reality and what I know to test reality is the scientific method I want data before actions are taken

> I can't see a country or a world where LSD or ecstasy is legally sold, for example
@Islamic Straight
ever heard of Colombia? Afghanistan?

Those are not good example countries lol

Oh because they're just counties to look up to lol

my point exactly

Fuckers there dose with cheaper compounds like N-BOMes

I meant a functional society where those drugs are legally sold

I think we could have one

at least where accessible to consenting adults