and the means to defend users vs suppliers

Ive seen addiction in people firsthand and locking them away with no treatment is not right, its not, seeing lives ruined because someone couldnt be weened off a drug is horrible

But with the data available from places like Netherlands and Uruguay, I don't really think we are in an inevitable transition from prohibiting to allowing, at least in general

We should be focused on destroying the illegal market at the same time as we treat the victims

I agree to that too

I think we're getting closer to where I want to see things

A means to take a compound, research it, find alterations, alternatives, build systems of support, and make it work

but I also dont like seeing people go to jail because they get caught with a plant

I just think that in the end, we won't inevitably move towards legalization, many countries did that or similar, it didn't work

looking over to Netherlands as a justification to outlaw drugs is a mediocre take just as much as saying Universal Healthcare is good because Sweden has it

thats not the point of either of those results

https://media.tenor.com/images/7774a4a41003272cab2140ae4264e001/tenor.gif

I'm not only talking about Netherlands, just used as a popular example

I dont ask for legalization, I ask for proper regulations and proper research

I am biased, I am a STEM major and someone who has used

No one talks about Portugal when they talk about abortion for example

heh true

im just talking about that if youre looking over to another country as an example is a bad take because that would just regurgitate the same taking point of someone saying "well communism hasnt been tried here"

I just think that even after even more research we will still be in a place where most drugs will remain mostly outlawed

I can't see a country or a world where LSD or ecstasy is legally sold, for example

Weed? Not quite, but hard to tell, considering we are talking about 20 something years in the future

But taking from fresh evidence, I don't think it will

nah I dont rely on countries much, I look at what our country is founded on vs what I know to work in reality and what I know to test reality is the scientific method I want data before actions are taken

> I can't see a country or a world where LSD or ecstasy is legally sold, for example
@Islamic Straight
ever heard of Colombia? Afghanistan?

Those are not good example countries lol

Oh because they're just counties to look up to lol

my point exactly

Fuckers there dose with cheaper compounds like N-BOMes

I meant a functional society where those drugs are legally sold

I think we could have one

at least where accessible to consenting adults

Israel has universal healthcare...would it work here?

of course not

Depends on how they structure it, making a claim of working vs not working is absurd

DATA MY DUDES

always data

what does the data say

thats my point

if study shows that gun free zones result in more shootings then go the opposite

here in the US we are seeing more lax research towards psilocybin and LSD now, with more open access to research done in the 60s and 70s

This is good, it means we can actually make proper things for people

Or not, if we consider to be too dangerous

*if* and thats a big if

Like weed, there's the positive of canabidiol and negative of THC, but weed inevitably has both of them