Message from @Islamic Straight
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Maybe we are just in the phase of transition
Preemptive maybe, I might agree to that, so long as we remain intellectually honest and allow proper research and laws to be put in place
and the means to defend users vs suppliers
Ive seen addiction in people firsthand and locking them away with no treatment is not right, its not, seeing lives ruined because someone couldnt be weened off a drug is horrible
But with the data available from places like Netherlands and Uruguay, I don't really think we are in an inevitable transition from prohibiting to allowing, at least in general
We should be focused on destroying the illegal market at the same time as we treat the victims
I agree to that too
I think we're getting closer to where I want to see things
A means to take a compound, research it, find alterations, alternatives, build systems of support, and make it work
but I also dont like seeing people go to jail because they get caught with a plant
I just think that in the end, we won't inevitably move towards legalization, many countries did that or similar, it didn't work
looking over to Netherlands as a justification to outlaw drugs is a mediocre take just as much as saying Universal Healthcare is good because Sweden has it
thats not the point of either of those results
I'm not only talking about Netherlands, just used as a popular example
I dont ask for legalization, I ask for proper regulations and proper research
I am biased, I am a STEM major and someone who has used
No one talks about Portugal when they talk about abortion for example
heh true
im just talking about that if youre looking over to another country as an example is a bad take because that would just regurgitate the same taking point of someone saying "well communism hasnt been tried here"
I just think that even after even more research we will still be in a place where most drugs will remain mostly outlawed
I can't see a country or a world where LSD or ecstasy is legally sold, for example
Weed? Not quite, but hard to tell, considering we are talking about 20 something years in the future
nah I dont rely on countries much, I look at what our country is founded on vs what I know to work in reality and what I know to test reality is the scientific method I want data before actions are taken
> I can't see a country or a world where LSD or ecstasy is legally sold, for example
@Islamic Straight
ever heard of Colombia? Afghanistan?
Those are not good example countries lol
Oh because they're just counties to look up to lol
my point exactly
Fuckers there dose with cheaper compounds like N-BOMes
I meant a functional society where those drugs are legally sold
I think we could have one
at least where accessible to consenting adults
Israel has universal healthcare...would it work here?
of course not
Depends on how they structure it, making a claim of working vs not working is absurd
DATA MY DUDES
always data
what does the data say
thats my point
if study shows that gun free zones result in more shootings then go the opposite
here in the US we are seeing more lax research towards psilocybin and LSD now, with more open access to research done in the 60s and 70s
This is good, it means we can actually make proper things for people
Or not, if we consider to be too dangerous