it fits with what I said... cleaning shit and bags of trash is already paid more because nobody wants to do it

yes i gave a livable wage of being a garbage collector and i gave a non livable wage being mcdonalds

Be a plumber

Its such a simple job and yet plumbers get tipped and paid a decent amount

Youd be surprised

my question is, what stopping people from taking that job at mcdonalds instead of being a garbage collector?

Why not, you could get a simpler and more fun job at mcdonalds then being a garbage collector

what's stopping them from starting a trash collecting business and making a billion dollars annually

having to start off paying their employees 15 dollars an hour

the economy isn't perfectly fluid it's complex so anecdotes don't work too well

it may force trash collection companies to raise wages but probably not

see now you get it people will raise their wages to those unlikeable jobs causing competition causing inflation

nah you're not listening it's not basic economics

that's a naive view even the economists don't fully know the repercussions

that's why I said look at what it actually does

okay people im open minded tell me where i went wrong
if im wrong ill admit it

maybe i am looking at it through this basis view

Your not

Its a huge complex system of how many people are in the states, how high are the taxes, what laws and buildings and power electricity ect. Factors into the minimum wage, its not as simple as "oh this one state has minimum wage, why not make ours 15$ an hour!!!"

the supply of jobs is limited and so is the worker pool for starters

Keep in mind starting a buisiness cannot be the same in different states

so everyone isn't going to quit their job to work at mcdonalds

I did

sure, if they are getting paid more than 15 dollars

And got a job at praxair

yeah so the point is there's a billion variables at play and you gave one

you're ignoring the unemployed being given much larger incentive

i gave a pretty legitimate example

you're ignoring all that money going back into the economy because the poor live paycheck to paycheck

yeah but you have blinders on and aren't looking at the bigger picture

So lower more government funded programs and lower the taxes

Or better yet

im asking for you to paint that bigger picture

DEPART ILLEGALS

Or cut back a lil on military spending

there isn't a way to raise it and have everything a perfect utopian dream the point is improving the lives of the lowest wage earners at the minor expense of businesses having to navigate a new system

it's a tradeoff that's why I asked why you even want a minimum wage

you could go full libertarian and pay people $2/hour

the point is the minimum is there for good reason and you're basically arguing against that

i did say i was for a minimum wage i just dont think it should be a livable wage

because the minimum is too low for people to live and too high for stupid businesses that would exist if it were $1/hour minimum