58% of users are 18-29 compared to 22% in the USA

99% act like they are 12 due to arrested development

```First they came for the conservatives, and I did not speak out, because I was not a conservative.```

what do you mean "my people" you're a fucking white male!

I didn't assume his race you bigot he's a trump supporter so obviously he's white

the anti defamation league has identified pepe the frog as a white supremacist symbol of hate

no you're thinking of your birth

what do you expect being snarky

not very christian of you frozen

are you dumb

why can't I edit your comments

oh shit

what do you mean

dumb people can have jobs too

say something dumb

oh wait

that's condescension which is negative

why are you so negative

no u

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I'm a trump supporter you dipshit

why else would I be here

did you think this was a donald duck fanclub

do you ask them to suck your dick too

yes I figured most people would recognize the irony

but I guess you're not most people

not really

weird flex but ok

just put a rainbow flag pin on it for ultimate triggering

upside down flag is something a libtard would do

I know what it is buddy

it's something a libtard would do

like taking a knee

I'd wager 80% chance of a second term 99% chance of more garbage

how so?

... uh huh and?

who let the 12 year olds in

the context was garbage like russia

all good it looks bad out of context

pretty sure it's under control after the statement trump made today

we're talking about a few people

china is fucked though

the dow has tanked the last week if that trend were to continue to november yeah I think trump would lose

otherwise likely reelection

minimum wage is a complex issue but yeah it's rational to be concerned

even the economists don't fully understand implications

but you can look at how it played out in seattle

@Noey are you for the minimum wage at all?

so if you're for a minimum wage then you should have an idea of how it should be set

because it's not even pinned to inflation

in other words it used to be a living wage but the value has eroded

and now it is a below-poverty wage

I don't get the example

my issue with abolishing slavery is it would give people less incentive to pick my cotton

if you can't pay people enough to live maybe you shouldn't be in business

because you're in the business of exploitation rather than profit and growth

so that analogy went right the fuck over your head

oh so you're short too gross

if there's one thing we don't need it is more manlets

no I'm saying the idea of a living wage is sound and I'm giving you an example

I think 15 is probably too much

you can strike a balance

without fucking over the lower class completely

well it's a complex issue people make the mistake of thinking this is basic economics when it's not

Seattle has $15 minimum wage so just look at them for example

I think more likely is a reduction in hours and understaffing

and if it's a family business you have more kids to slave away for free obviously

but yeah even with a mom and pop your wages are a part of your expenses, not the whole pie

from the perspective of the employee it's their whole pie

but yeah that argument is made a lot and I think it's shit because it's a scarcity mindset

if you're in business you should be making money hand over fist sweet profit

why the fuck do you have a bakery if you're breaking even

you should close anyways you're wasting time

if the only reason your business is alive is because you pay your employees less than what they need to survive then maybe your business is the one that should die

also a common argument but it's wrong

90.7% of people on minimum wage are over the age of 20

over half are educated

US

I don't think there is much competition for trash collecting as it is

pretty sure custodians are fairly well paid considering the job

it's not $7/hr

increasing the pay for collecting trash doesn't make people want to do the job less...

37k/year is more than $15/hour...

but you gave an example and they already get paid a living wage... so poor example

it fits with what I said... cleaning shit and bags of trash is already paid more because nobody wants to do it

what's stopping them from starting a trash collecting business and making a billion dollars annually

the economy isn't perfectly fluid it's complex so anecdotes don't work too well

it may force trash collection companies to raise wages but probably not

nah you're not listening it's not basic economics

that's a naive view even the economists don't fully know the repercussions

that's why I said look at what it actually does

the supply of jobs is limited and so is the worker pool for starters

so everyone isn't going to quit their job to work at mcdonalds

yeah so the point is there's a billion variables at play and you gave one

you're ignoring the unemployed being given much larger incentive

you're ignoring all that money going back into the economy because the poor live paycheck to paycheck

yeah but you have blinders on and aren't looking at the bigger picture

there isn't a way to raise it and have everything a perfect utopian dream the point is improving the lives of the lowest wage earners at the minor expense of businesses having to navigate a new system

it's a tradeoff that's why I asked why you even want a minimum wage

you could go full libertarian and pay people $2/hour