Message from @Dutch Plan Der Linde

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2020-03-09 06:22:53 UTC  

Because anyone can get that job

2020-03-09 06:23:04 UTC  

also a common argument but it's wrong

2020-03-09 06:23:22 UTC  

So how is it wrong?

2020-03-09 06:23:31 UTC  

90.7% of people on minimum wage are over the age of 20

2020-03-09 06:23:44 UTC  

I think its interesting how you brought up Seattle as an example of a 15 dollar minimum wage. This only applies to companies who have over 500 employees. Meaning if you are below that criteria 15 dollars wouldnt matter. But I used a bakery as an example of how a 15 dollar minimum wage could effect small businesses. But my whole premise is, it causes less competition for those unappealing jobs like trash collecting or disgusting low paying jobs.

2020-03-09 06:23:50 UTC  

over half are educated

2020-03-09 06:24:27 UTC  

Are you talking about worldwide? Or just the US?

2020-03-09 06:24:37 UTC  

US

2020-03-09 06:25:02 UTC  

I highly doubt that number is right

2020-03-09 06:25:17 UTC  

I don't think there is much competition for trash collecting as it is

2020-03-09 06:25:28 UTC  

If it was then the us wouldnt be the top richest nation in the world

2020-03-09 06:25:28 UTC  

pretty sure custodians are fairly well paid considering the job

2020-03-09 06:25:47 UTC  

Probably about 30% are paid minimum

2020-03-09 06:25:48 UTC  

it's not $7/hr

2020-03-09 06:27:42 UTC  

increasing the pay for collecting trash doesn't make people want to do the job less...

2020-03-09 06:27:42 UTC  

Well take a look a full time garbage collector vs a full time working at mcdonalds
mcdonalds full time salary is around 22k a year compared to a garbage collector which is 37k a year
sure many people might not want those disgusting jobs or there even being a massive competition for it. But there is competition for those higher paying jobs

2020-03-09 06:28:33 UTC  

Theres alot of competition nowadays for gaming for example

2020-03-09 06:28:38 UTC  

It's super fierce

2020-03-09 06:28:40 UTC  

And like

2020-03-09 06:28:59 UTC  

15 dollars is more than a garbage collector makes and mcdonalds employee would be forced to have a 15 dollar minimum wage. what is stopping people from taking those jobs at mcdonalds opposed to being a garbage collector

2020-03-09 06:29:04 UTC  

They will use cheap and dirty working tactics to make as much money as possible

2020-03-09 06:29:13 UTC  

37k/year is more than $15/hour...

2020-03-09 06:29:54 UTC  

for my area (florida) they get paid around 13 an hour

2020-03-09 06:30:40 UTC  

but you gave an example and they already get paid a living wage... so poor example

2020-03-09 06:31:10 UTC  

it fits with what I said... cleaning shit and bags of trash is already paid more because nobody wants to do it

2020-03-09 06:31:14 UTC  

yes i gave a livable wage of being a garbage collector and i gave a non livable wage being mcdonalds

2020-03-09 06:31:28 UTC  

Be a plumber

2020-03-09 06:31:52 UTC  

Its such a simple job and yet plumbers get tipped and paid a decent amount

2020-03-09 06:31:56 UTC  

Youd be surprised

2020-03-09 06:32:34 UTC  

my question is, what stopping people from taking that job at mcdonalds instead of being a garbage collector?

2020-03-09 06:33:33 UTC  

Why not, you could get a simpler and more fun job at mcdonalds then being a garbage collector

2020-03-09 06:33:39 UTC  

what's stopping them from starting a trash collecting business and making a billion dollars annually

2020-03-09 06:33:55 UTC  

having to start off paying their employees 15 dollars an hour

2020-03-09 06:34:01 UTC  

the economy isn't perfectly fluid it's complex so anecdotes don't work too well

2020-03-09 06:34:19 UTC  

it may force trash collection companies to raise wages but probably not

2020-03-09 06:34:45 UTC  

see now you get it people will raise their wages to those unlikeable jobs causing competition causing inflation

2020-03-09 06:35:08 UTC  

nah you're not listening it's not basic economics

2020-03-09 06:35:34 UTC  

that's a naive view even the economists don't fully know the repercussions

2020-03-09 06:35:42 UTC  

that's why I said look at what it actually does

2020-03-09 06:35:46 UTC  

okay people im open minded tell me where i went wrong
if im wrong ill admit it

2020-03-09 06:36:12 UTC  

maybe i am looking at it through this basis view