"Isinglass gathers stray yeast cells during the fermenting process and solidifies them into a mass which settles on the bottom of the barrel for removal."

The new British bank notes has animal fat in them

Same as the EU notes

Huh. Guess I’ll have to look at isinglass

Meat is just more efficient than full vegan. The crops they eat are for the most part inedible to humans anyways, and the water they drink isn't good for human consumption either, pretty sure it's called green water. So the vegan argument that they take lots of crops and water is just incorrect for the most part. Plus we use them for a lot of stuff anyways, imagine how much more wasteful it would be to stop eating meat but continue to use them for that other stuff, rather than making use of the full animal by consuming it *and* using the hide, fat, etc for those other things

Well, the problem of veganism is not humane treatment of animals but more rather the idea that animals are people too

high quality meat protein is what allowed our brains to evolve, to get better at hunting quality meat, like mammoths

I don’t disagree that if we are already killing the animal we should fully utilize it, I just believe we should find substitutes for such byproducts

Furthermore, a lot of the supplements/pills vegans need to survive also use animal products. Vaccines have animal products as well, so go to go vegan you'd have to stop going to the doctor, stop showering, stop driving your car, give up beer, perfume+nail polish(if you're a woman) etc

https://www.veganfoodandliving.com/vegan-diet/medicine-where-should-vegans-draw-the-line/

You can't really make subsitutes for these, modern medicine depends on animals

Hitler was vegetarian. <:trumpwitchlul:624684793422020624>

I did say I was moving towards it, but thank you for the sources.

No problem @🛫navytuna🛬 ζ🌹🌻

Anyways that's the problem I see with veganism. You're still using things that require animals(medicines, tires, etc) but you're *not* making use of the full animal by refusing to eat it. Think of it this way, veganism is like killing an animal, but only using the skin and fat and leaving the meat to rot because it's "inhumane" and an omniviorous lifestyle is killing and using the whole animal, including the meat, if that makes sense

But human body evolved by eating everything. If you change what you eat like that it will be bad for your body. Human body needs long time to evolve away from meat. And tbh most of the human race will not stop eating meat cos it tastes nice and don't grow boobs from it

So if everyone were to go vegan, until we find alternatives to these byproducts, if that's even possible, we'd be wasting and abusing animals more than they are now. It's more humane to make use of the whole animal by consuming it, because skin, fat, etc are all still essential ingredients in things we use in our everyday lives, we'd just be turning down the meat. That's the biggest reason why I've decided not to go vegan

Yeah. If that is all the case then I’d just try to minimize the amount of livestock required. I definitely don’t oppose using all of an animal if it shall be slain anyways.

dude, if the estrogen in plant burgers was large enough to help people transition then why wouldn’t trans people start wolfing them down

My girlfriend is a vegetarian for about 20 years, she started cos she didn't like the killing of animals. She wants to eat meat but cant. She has alot of bad health problems <:trumplaugh:666855109644386314>

I have no problem eating animals, there is no moral dilemma for me. The only moral dilemma I have is overhunting wild populations (LOOKING AT YOU CHINESE FISHERMAN)

at least she still gets some form of animal protein in the form of milk, eggs, and cheese

Ya. But still not enough

that's why if you truly do not want to eat meat, vegetarianism is totally better than veganism, but generally it's healthier to live an omnivorous lifestyle

20 or so years adds up

the best diet imo is pescatarian

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i started raising chickens 2 years ago because I got tired of buying snail bait, I no longer have to buy snail bait and I get eggs for 3 years, next year I get chicken.

I could not raise animals that I have to kill and eat

You still get meat in the form of fish, which are more eco-friendly to farm than land animals like cows and pigs, animal protein in the form of eggs cheese and milk(cows would still be needed but not as high demand as the yare now)

but I was raised on a farm, and learned early on how fucked up it can be to get overly attached to animals. They're tools, nothing more. You wouldn't cry if you lost a wrench.

Not necessarily, certain animals like dogs serve as emotional companions as well

Dogs are man's best friend for a reason, they've evolved alongside humans, so I'd make an exception for them specifically

unless I gotta feed my family, then pickles becomes food.

I genuinely am discomforted when people refer to animals as tools. They are useful, absolutely, but tools is... Wrong.

hmmm

she's the dog in my profile pic btw, awesome dog, but I like my wife and kids more.

Sad but true tho

I mean they kind of are, but they have a heart, soul, desire, emotions, etc, which differentiates them from the wrench

all animals have those

mmhmm

even chickens. but you have to be a man, and think who's more worthy of survival, you or them?

Dog eat dog world

Us, obviously, but I'd still miss them a bit y'know? Like if it was a chicken or something i wouldn't have remorse because that's how the food chain works, but given that dogs weren't bred/raised as food animals, i'd probably hesitate