Actual socialism has been a miserable failure, some “socialist” reforms have been unfairly disrupted by the CIA eg Jacobo Arbenz being overthrown over seizing fallow land that United Fruit claimed thru underhanded contracts with dictators. Generally, government built around an ideology of envy, rage, constant struggle, and secular predestination doesn’t work out so well. I’d concede we could have better safety nets and welfare if we outright banned immigration

the eu is nowhere near socialist lool

theyre not socialist nor are they remotely an economic model to follow.

@Gappateeカルタゴ what would you say socialist is.

True. EU saves a lot of money via burden shifting to us for defense. They could not sustain their model if they paid for their own military

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@Pytokonda 🐏 actually socialist

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Socialist is whatever the perfect county looks like in his head

How would you explain socialism then

@Pytokonda 🐏 the definition of socialism? system where the workers own the means of production?

well its a lot more complicated than that but socialism is what socialism is, the actual thing created by marx

Money is fake, the country is a joke, give me my $1000 a month

That also encompasses distributism and agrarian economies though, Socialism entails a whole materialistic theory of history

I'm just talking about the marx definition of socialism

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You on that one then.

Umm, yeah, have you not read Marx. He was a historian who modeled all of history thru a lens totally built around class struggle and economics.

Is this gappatee guy defending socialism?

Yi @Pepe The Frog

Better red than dead

What a lil bitch

He thinks socialism and capitalism are on equal footing as sound ideas. Correct me if I’m wrong

LMAO

yes

I'm retarded haha lole exdee

See it this way @Gappateeカルタゴ

Capitalism is white people now

And socialism is black people in the 1800’s

socialism poor xd

especially when it triples the production of a country xd

I don’t think you’re a retard but socialism is poorly defined to begin with.

Yeah

Hahaha yes, because the idea that investment in a market economy produces wealth is equivalent to the immanentization of the eschaton at the expense of the social order

the problem is that people think socialism is free money

They get payed off with their own tax money essentially

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Why is

thats was yang @Pepe The Frog

I don’t think they think it’s free money as much as they don’t actually take the time to think about resources in general

Oh yeah lmao I forgot ab him

The problem is that it’s a heresy. It is a belief that mankind can and will eventually create a perfect government for all people in all times and places. And that’s not even what most Americans mean by “socialism”. They mean social democracy/welfare state