Actual socialism has been a miserable failure, some “socialist” reforms have been unfairly disrupted by the CIA eg Jacobo Arbenz being overthrown over seizing fallow land that United Fruit claimed thru underhanded contracts with dictators. Generally, government built around an ideology of envy, rage, constant struggle, and secular predestination doesn’t work out so well. I’d concede we could have better safety nets and welfare if we outright banned immigration

True. EU saves a lot of money via burden shifting to us for defense. They could not sustain their model if they paid for their own military

Socialist is whatever the perfect county looks like in his head

That also encompasses distributism and agrarian economies though, Socialism entails a whole materialistic theory of history

Umm, yeah, have you not read Marx. He was a historian who modeled all of history thru a lens totally built around class struggle and economics.

Yi @Pepe The Frog

Hahaha yes, because the idea that investment in a market economy produces wealth is equivalent to the immanentization of the eschaton at the expense of the social order

The problem is that it’s a heresy. It is a belief that mankind can and will eventually create a perfect government for all people in all times and places. And that’s not even what most Americans mean by “socialism”. They mean social democracy/welfare state

But do not realize that that comes with 60%-ish tax rates

The Soviet Union did work. Poorly.

That is an intrinsic component of Marx’s model. No socialism without a dictatorship

Salon 2013 “Chavez became the bugaboo of American politics because his full-throated advocacy of socialism and redistributionism at once represented a fundamental critique of neoliberal economics, and also delivered some indisputably positive results.”

No, he really wasn’t. It was more akin to China’s blended model rn

Ownership of corporate setups as semiprivate enterprises by favorites of the state

https://mises.org/library/hitlers-economics Keynes was no commie, and he was a fan.

Partly because the socialists were internationalists and he was not, partly because he planned on genociding Slavs and colonizing Eastern Europe

And that. Many secular Jews are given to communism for some reason. Eg the rosenburgs

We learned nothing from the 20th century. It was not “Fascism, Communism, bad, liberalism good”, it was “Dictating conformity to the ideas of man on the global level is bad”

And Marx was a theistic satanist

Ummm, no, but you’re advocating for a system generally ushered in thru revolutions. In revolutions the radicals always seize control when the moderates can’t deliver. Read your Crane Brinton

Interestingly enough the American Revolution is actually notable as a “conservative revolution”, it borrowed enlightenment language but was ultimately a Middle and upper class vindication of existing rights rather than a middle class rejection of the reigning ideology and decadent ruling class

I think at this point we’re just T-posing on a sad pinko and shitposting

The point is that the American Revolution was not ideological like many other ones, therefore less dangerous to order

We yeeted your gay tea tax.

Got a license for that knife?
Yes @Pepe The Frog

I can’t imagine britbongs invading anyone when they needed help with Argentina before declining even further

“The newspaper quoted unidentified Pentagon sources as saying U.S. supplies during the war included 200 Sidewinder anti-aircraft missiles, eight Stinger anti-aircraft systems, Harpoon anti-ship missiles, mortar shells, satellite intelligence, communications facilities and use of a U.S. air base on Ascension Island.”

What happened with Vietnam was that dipshit Kennedy brought us in and based Nixon got us out.

Lol I applied 7 months ago and still don’t know if it ever went thru

The CIA was helping Britain as well, actually

You mean 20 years of coin so Dubya can imitate daddy was a big lose?

US foreign policy just went to shit after 1898

Tbqh I love and respect England/UK as our parent civilization, but you guys can’t into war. Agreed that we’re similar but just one step behind

I mean that’s pretty much Churchill’s whole peacetime career. Choices that would have been decent if the jig wasn’t up.

No. We’re talking about how AOC will save us with fully automated gay space communism

How many Gypsies died in the Holocaust?

I mean the camps were clearly real and match the rhetoric, but the scope was blatantly exaggerated for propo purposes

Well because the ruskies were on the winning team when the music stopped

Well, yeah, both were pretty nasty.