Unfortunately not so I just left chat

I don't see how they could link Renaldo to anything though. Seems like a good guy

dude, we're happy to chat with you in text if you are interested in chatting

Yeah that's what I've been doing for the last few minutes now lol.

I was trying to understand the whole hit piece thing

Then the vagina convo started up. Sorry if I came off as a but aggressive though

what is your feeling on the opinion piece?

I think it's wrong to link Renaldo on it but I do believe Willem has said some things that would cause a reasonable person to believe that he is a racist

http://time.com/5000014/joshua-gurto-rape-murder-girl-ohio/

The IQ thing, while interesting has nothing to do with farm murders or right wing economic systems so Willem had zero reason to bring it up unless he was trying to inflame racial tension

I argued the IQ thing on that discord with lots of people

arminius mostly

first point is that most of the people coming with that angle on the channel and pushing things were not south african

I'm not familiar with Willems discord. I usually only come hear for Renaldos post video discussions

GG @SeizeTheMeans, you just advanced to level 3!

sure

what is your opinion on it?

I have my own ideas, but I feel like if we aren't allowed to talk about it - that is a problem in itself

I think there may be a difference in average IQs across races however this should not be a reason for racial discrimination or segregation

agree 200%

IQ is easy to test, therefore test for it (certainly 5 million times easier to ascertain than race)\

Even if blacks were less intelligent than whites (theoretically, I have not done research to be able to claim so) there would still be millions of above average blacks and millions of below average whites in SA

absolutely true

And you would have to remove rights for whites too. And then Willems whole white nation shit falls apart

in a population of 50 million with an average of 75IQ means 4.5million have > 125IQ

Exactly, that's the whole population of Cape town for example

but still we should be allowed to discuss ideas, like I can say dutch people are hella tall without raising any eyebrows

And if those with higher IQs work in the suburbs and cities and those with lower IQs do rural work you may never need to meet a low IQ person in your life

IQ is such a small part of the picture, not wanting to meet 'low IQ' individuals is in itself questionable

The Dutch example is interesting but nobody has ever used their height as a reason to deny them rights like IQ has for black people

the US military discriminates on IQ

because it's life and death

discriminating on race instead of IQ makes no sense, because IQ is easy to test for and race is impossible to test for

The US military hasn't flat out denied certain races based on their average IQ though. They test individuals. Systems like American segregation and Apartheid flat out took away black people's rights based on their supposed intelligence

I don't think intelligence was the ultimate motivation for grand apartheid

it was about cultural differences

but I'm going to get shat on here if I even talk about this stuff

It was certainly one of them. It's why blacks were given a dumbed down education system and used for hard labor

are you from south africa? have you seen the school system here? Nelson Mandela and Oliver Thambo were practicing lawyers in the 60s

If the stereotypical "black cultural traits" of laziness and looking for handouts were true, why would the Apartheid government make them do additional work? Wouldn't you want supposedly highly motivated whites doing the work because they have a better cultural work ethic?

@rob you know Mandela was educated in a missionary school right