Message from @Pelth

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2019-09-19 01:01:36 UTC  

GG @𝕽𝖊𝖙𝖗𝖔, you just advanced to level 1!

2019-09-19 01:01:38 UTC  

the entire system of u.s is a carbon copy of england

2019-09-19 01:01:42 UTC  

What about Canada my guy

2019-09-19 01:01:58 UTC  

of course u.s.a was created by englishmen who wanted their own england and rights as englishmen

2019-09-19 01:02:08 UTC  

magna carta, provisions of oxford, petition of right, all flow directly into u.s constitution

2019-09-19 01:02:15 UTC  

the u.s constitution is just the english bill of rights

2019-09-19 01:02:20 UTC  

It's quite unlike england.

2019-09-19 01:02:25 UTC  

so they recreated their own english system in the u.s but further democraticsed it

2019-09-19 01:02:39 UTC  

I @WP I mean a lot of stuff was based on it and yeah the people were English but now it's much different and mixed

2019-09-19 01:02:48 UTC  

becuase the u.k has changed, no the u.s

2019-09-19 01:02:59 UTC  

the u.k is very different now, but the u.s is the true continuation of england

2019-09-19 01:03:14 UTC  

the u.s has simply been further democraticsed and rationalised and systematised

2019-09-19 01:03:30 UTC  

but the u.k is just an incoherent mess of politics with no functioning true executive

2019-09-19 01:03:57 UTC  

to paraquote starkey:

2019-09-19 01:04:05 UTC  

The us politics is a big bowl of soup now. A lot of country's are

2019-09-19 01:04:49 UTC  

if you look at the senate it is merely an elective house of lords. to begin with you were indirectly elected, remember the constitution amendment providing for direct election to the senate is only on the eve of the first world war, but if you look at the senators each rejoices in a quasi-noble status of two per two

2019-09-19 01:04:52 UTC  

per state

2019-09-19 01:05:36 UTC  

the kind of duke of minnesota and earl of oregon. they have effectively life tenures. they have, like the british peerage, access to loot and pillage and reward their followers, sometimes they get found out and there are processes, going directly up to the president itself of impeachment, which is taken straight out of the medieval constitution

2019-09-19 01:05:56 UTC  

the process that clinton narrowly escaped of trial before the senate with the lower house acting as prosecutors

2019-09-19 01:06:00 UTC  

British parliament composition wasn't based on population. Like some of their districts only had like 100 people in them.

2019-09-19 01:06:22 UTC  

And many areas had no representation at all

2019-09-19 01:06:28 UTC  

what are the house of represenatives? they are simply the commons of england. their presiding officer is called the speaker just like in u.k parliament

2019-09-19 01:07:05 UTC  

even the administrative officer is the sergeant at arms. why is the u.s lower house run by the sergeant at arms? because the sergeant at arms is the administrative official of the house of cmmons in england since the reign of henry viii

2019-09-19 01:07:05 UTC  

GG @WP, you just advanced to level 4!

2019-09-19 01:07:23 UTC  

we're not looking at how systems are furhter democraticsed but the structure ofthe system

2019-09-19 01:07:37 UTC  

of course originally when u.s was founded it was only white male property owners who could vote

2019-09-19 01:07:47 UTC  

the founders of the u.s were not concerned with democracy, they were concerned with liberty

2019-09-19 01:08:08 UTC  

that's why washington d.c is so beautifully laid out so that you can easily machinegun rampaging mobs from strongpoints

2019-09-19 01:08:23 UTC  

to continue:

2019-09-19 01:08:46 UTC  

the president is a monarch. i used to say, until reagan was elected, the president was simply geroge iii without a wig, but then reagan came along and the joke fell almost flat as his hair was bouffant

2019-09-19 01:09:01 UTC  

British parliament was basically just an advanced version of the feudal system where vassals could vote

2019-09-19 01:09:30 UTC  

the u.s president also has a court, as all monarchs have their courts; america is ruled by a cabinet chosen purely by the president, and the key officers do not sit in the cabinet but are genuine courtiers, rogues of the night

2019-09-19 01:09:39 UTC  

right, and overtime it changed and evolved, but no

2019-09-19 01:09:55 UTC  

many people could vote, it changed back and forth overtime, but it was more a matter of property owners

2019-09-19 01:10:10 UTC  

you voted for your local knight to go to parliament or if you lived in a town voted for your burgess

2019-09-19 01:10:42 UTC  

not too dissimilar to parliaments in other european countires, at least on a surface level quite similar but really world's apart in the fundamentals which is why u.s.a and u.k and anglo world so different in politics to european countries

2019-09-19 01:11:12 UTC  

which we see with u.k leaivng e.u today that european politics is a roman model and roman law while anglo world is english law, which is sort of inverted

2019-09-19 01:11:47 UTC  

in the 19th century we get mass suffrage coming along both in u.k and u.s and other countries, and the whole thing is a sham

2019-09-19 01:11:50 UTC  

Like 95% of people in britain couldn't vote. It was just a popularity contest amongst noble families

2019-09-19 01:11:55 UTC  

it's just politicians realising that you can bribe people with their own money

2019-09-19 01:12:18 UTC  

you mean when? 800 years ago in the beginnings? yea and it changed overtime