there were also castes of serfs and even the highest castes of serfs on most manors lived terrible lives and at best had their own bed

They had a decent degree of freedom

let alone how most people lived sleeping on the floor or outside

depending on what the local laws were

where did you get these ideas from? lol

the only thing they really had to worry about was the taxes which were usually low

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and they had to join the army during war sometimes

what we're discussing still exists in the world today where people live in subsistence farming and you can see it and how awful their lives are

it was far worse back in the feudal system

it only got bad later

when there were too many people

and lots of cities

"the only thing they had to worry about was the taxes"??? they regularly experienced famines and disease wiping out large fractions of their communities lol

not really

that happened later

omg, wtf are you talking about??? the reason that urbanisation happened is because agricultural enclosure produced so much more food

famines basically end when urbanisation begins

cities were the sources of disease

places where animals and humans live in mass and in close proximity

it's called the malthusian trap. england broke free of it first and that's why the economic viabiltiy of mechanisation came about

everything you're saying at this point is just a deluded inversion of basic educaiton in this history

the plagues are just cross species diseases, what makes a cow have the sniffles will kill a human

it almost seems as if you're just making things up to suit some weird agenda you have

diseases aren't really natural

the reason that urbanisation happened and towns and cities grew in population is the break down of the open field system and the transition to agricultural enclosure

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not the deadly ones

they come from those city environments

why are you harping on about disease? diseases came and went all the time, the worse thing is the famines

the famines happened because of backwards stagnant feudal system

the diseases happened largely because of the famines

mostly from unsustainable cities

NO

JUST STOP

STOP

when a crop is low for that year and cities need a lot of food you get a famine

simple as

in the high middle ages began the privatisation of the commons and open field system and the creation of these early "capitalist" farms were far more productive

they produced more food with a lower number of workers freeing up the serfs and making them economically obsolete

well they basically just grew much more food than they needed, that's the only difference