Message from @WP

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2019-09-19 01:39:37 UTC  

by 1500 we're looking at beginnings of modern economy and a mostly literate professional population of tradesmen and agriculture all enclosure

2019-09-19 01:39:40 UTC  

open field system was long gone

2019-09-19 01:40:10 UTC  

talking about high and late middle ages*

2019-09-19 01:40:15 UTC  

sugar comes along beginning of modern age

2019-09-19 01:40:47 UTC  

it was around for awhile

2019-09-19 01:41:17 UTC  

it was expensive and a way to show off how rich you were

2019-09-19 01:41:23 UTC  

this is the big misconception in sort of vague pop history is idea that feudalism has been present until relatively recently in north western europe, but mechanisation and what led to industrial revolution and modern economy began 500 years ago in england

2019-09-19 01:42:06 UTC  

most people had pretty good teeth except the richer nobles

2019-09-19 01:42:44 UTC  

serfs lived on a borderline starvation diet of grain when they were doing well

2019-09-19 01:42:56 UTC  

not really

2019-09-19 01:42:58 UTC  

people had underdeveloped facial structure and bad teeth because they live off grain

2019-09-19 01:43:06 UTC  

they grew what they needed and gave a percentage in tax

2019-09-19 01:43:46 UTC  

and they weren't able to grow much lol it was subsistence farming with many people living in the equivalent of a dog house

2019-09-19 01:43:53 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542037236053442561/624058048188514324/image0.jpg

2019-09-19 01:43:55 UTC  

it's a vision of hell lol

2019-09-19 01:44:07 UTC  

they lived in whatever house they built for themselves

2019-09-19 01:44:25 UTC  

there were also castes of serfs and even the highest castes of serfs on most manors lived terrible lives and at best had their own bed

2019-09-19 01:44:28 UTC  

They had a decent degree of freedom

2019-09-19 01:44:34 UTC  

let alone how most people lived sleeping on the floor or outside

2019-09-19 01:44:38 UTC  

depending on what the local laws were

2019-09-19 01:44:49 UTC  

where did you get these ideas from? lol

2019-09-19 01:45:05 UTC  

the only thing they really had to worry about was the taxes which were usually low

2019-09-19 01:45:09 UTC  

hi everybody I am doctor nick

2019-09-19 01:45:15 UTC  

and they had to join the army during war sometimes

2019-09-19 01:45:33 UTC  

what we're discussing still exists in the world today where people live in subsistence farming and you can see it and how awful their lives are

2019-09-19 01:45:42 UTC  

it was far worse back in the feudal system

2019-09-19 01:46:09 UTC  

it only got bad later

2019-09-19 01:46:12 UTC  

when there were too many people

2019-09-19 01:46:24 UTC  

and lots of cities

2019-09-19 01:46:39 UTC  

"the only thing they had to worry about was the taxes"??? they regularly experienced famines and disease wiping out large fractions of their communities lol

2019-09-19 01:46:57 UTC  

not really

2019-09-19 01:47:00 UTC  

that happened later

2019-09-19 01:47:01 UTC  

omg, wtf are you talking about??? the reason that urbanisation happened is because agricultural enclosure produced so much more food

2019-09-19 01:47:09 UTC  

famines basically end when urbanisation begins

2019-09-19 01:47:29 UTC  

cities were the sources of disease

2019-09-19 01:47:40 UTC  

places where animals and humans live in mass and in close proximity

2019-09-19 01:47:47 UTC  

it's called the malthusian trap. england broke free of it first and that's why the economic viabiltiy of mechanisation came about

2019-09-19 01:48:07 UTC  

everything you're saying at this point is just a deluded inversion of basic educaiton in this history

2019-09-19 01:48:08 UTC  

the plagues are just cross species diseases, what makes a cow have the sniffles will kill a human

2019-09-19 01:48:28 UTC  

it almost seems as if you're just making things up to suit some weird agenda you have

2019-09-19 01:48:51 UTC  

diseases aren't really natural