Message from @Pelth

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2019-09-19 01:42:44 UTC  

serfs lived on a borderline starvation diet of grain when they were doing well

2019-09-19 01:42:56 UTC  

not really

2019-09-19 01:42:58 UTC  

people had underdeveloped facial structure and bad teeth because they live off grain

2019-09-19 01:43:06 UTC  

they grew what they needed and gave a percentage in tax

2019-09-19 01:43:46 UTC  

and they weren't able to grow much lol it was subsistence farming with many people living in the equivalent of a dog house

2019-09-19 01:43:53 UTC  

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2019-09-19 01:43:55 UTC  

it's a vision of hell lol

2019-09-19 01:44:07 UTC  

they lived in whatever house they built for themselves

2019-09-19 01:44:25 UTC  

there were also castes of serfs and even the highest castes of serfs on most manors lived terrible lives and at best had their own bed

2019-09-19 01:44:28 UTC  

They had a decent degree of freedom

2019-09-19 01:44:34 UTC  

let alone how most people lived sleeping on the floor or outside

2019-09-19 01:44:38 UTC  

depending on what the local laws were

2019-09-19 01:44:49 UTC  

where did you get these ideas from? lol

2019-09-19 01:45:05 UTC  

the only thing they really had to worry about was the taxes which were usually low

2019-09-19 01:45:09 UTC  

hi everybody I am doctor nick

2019-09-19 01:45:15 UTC  

and they had to join the army during war sometimes

2019-09-19 01:45:33 UTC  

what we're discussing still exists in the world today where people live in subsistence farming and you can see it and how awful their lives are

2019-09-19 01:45:42 UTC  

it was far worse back in the feudal system

2019-09-19 01:46:09 UTC  

it only got bad later

2019-09-19 01:46:12 UTC  

when there were too many people

2019-09-19 01:46:24 UTC  

and lots of cities

2019-09-19 01:46:39 UTC  

"the only thing they had to worry about was the taxes"??? they regularly experienced famines and disease wiping out large fractions of their communities lol

2019-09-19 01:46:57 UTC  

not really

2019-09-19 01:47:00 UTC  

that happened later

2019-09-19 01:47:01 UTC  

omg, wtf are you talking about??? the reason that urbanisation happened is because agricultural enclosure produced so much more food

2019-09-19 01:47:09 UTC  

famines basically end when urbanisation begins

2019-09-19 01:47:29 UTC  

cities were the sources of disease

2019-09-19 01:47:40 UTC  

places where animals and humans live in mass and in close proximity

2019-09-19 01:47:47 UTC  

it's called the malthusian trap. england broke free of it first and that's why the economic viabiltiy of mechanisation came about

2019-09-19 01:48:07 UTC  

everything you're saying at this point is just a deluded inversion of basic educaiton in this history

2019-09-19 01:48:08 UTC  

the plagues are just cross species diseases, what makes a cow have the sniffles will kill a human

2019-09-19 01:48:28 UTC  

it almost seems as if you're just making things up to suit some weird agenda you have

2019-09-19 01:48:51 UTC  

diseases aren't really natural

2019-09-19 01:48:51 UTC  

the reason that urbanisation happened and towns and cities grew in population is the break down of the open field system and the transition to agricultural enclosure

2019-09-19 01:48:52 UTC  

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2019-09-19 01:49:00 UTC  

not the deadly ones

2019-09-19 01:49:17 UTC  

they come from those city environments

2019-09-19 01:49:19 UTC  

why are you harping on about disease? diseases came and went all the time, the worse thing is the famines

2019-09-19 01:49:30 UTC  

the famines happened because of backwards stagnant feudal system

2019-09-19 01:49:43 UTC  

the diseases happened largely because of the famines

2019-09-19 01:50:04 UTC  

mostly from unsustainable cities