Don’t say liberals like that @rain^

We all know conservatives are just at liberal

it's not allowed, but they were trying to be as disrespectful as possible without being direct

As*

yeah but in this one situation i mean

but these two girls were trying to be rude to those who didn't agree

Yea that is annoying

Usually people who do that are not very smart

Or they have no idea what they are talking about

@Gerry So the problem you have with abortion is not really the aborting of the fetus itself, it's more about the societal consequences, like being less productive as an individual or losing that one life for the nation, correct?

Yes that would be correct

@Gerry Okay, so are people with children more productive in society or less productive in society?

People with families tend to be very productive in their earlier years

And then they settle down and usually have a year off to raise the child

And then they will go back to being productive

But their children will also be productive eventually

So it’s like schooling

It is an investment

You usually get something back

But occasionally you get a loss

@Gerry Okay the 2 points you have are basically 1. Productivity 2. The life of the individual for the nation itself. Correct?

Yes

Those would be my main points

@Gerry So is a childless couple more available to work longer hours or less available on average would you say?

Mostly for the good of the nation

Yes but a could with children will keep the nation going

Couple*

@Gerry Ok I just want to discuss your first point on productivity first, then we can talk about the life of the child for the nation.

Alright

What were you wondering

@Gerry So would a childless couple work more, or work less on average would you say?

More

@Gerry So a childless couple would on average, be more productive, correct?

Yes that would be correct

@Gerry Okay, now as a life for the nation. What about immigration instead? Instead of raising a child from birth where the child has many years of not being productive, why not let in an immigrant that is already an adult and already ready to be productive in the nation?

Ahh the thing is integration

You need to integrate them into society

you assume the immigrant has the same values and will keep the nation the way it is

@Zandu I don't assume that, no.

the immigrant may not appreciate the way of life they're moving in to and will vote against what made the country worth moving in to to begin with

And the thing with that is that it might take just as long to integrate them as it is to raise a child