Message from @garonedin

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2018-12-15 02:54:45 UTC  

In virginia we have good gun laws but the governor is anti gun and the state legislature is only 51R to 49D

2018-12-15 02:55:07 UTC  

As much as our R-governor, Rauner, stalled the gun laws, he let some of them through.
And now the Legislature AND the governor is turning hard blue

2018-12-15 02:55:22 UTC  

We also have state preemption so even though i live in the more liberal northern VA i get to enjoy the same laws as the rest of the state

2018-12-15 02:55:28 UTC  

like
AWB by February kinda blue.

2018-12-15 02:55:33 UTC  

Damn

2018-12-15 02:56:18 UTC  

and of course, Chicago and the rest of illinois just... don't really like each other, so despite literally the entirety of the southern Illinois protesting, it's gonna get passed anyway

2018-12-15 02:56:29 UTC  

oh yeah, and an ammo tax is coming up in the legislature too

2018-12-15 02:57:49 UTC  

Oh yeah i think i read about that, 1 cent tax per round

2018-12-15 02:57:50 UTC  

"Fuck you, .22lr shooters"

2018-12-15 02:58:08 UTC  

and everyone knows the cent per round is gonna go up once it's passed

2018-12-15 02:58:32 UTC  

Everyone I've talked to says somewhere between 5-7 cents per round

2018-12-15 02:59:25 UTC  

Anything to push people away from exercising their rights

2018-12-15 02:59:42 UTC  

Literally a poll tax

2018-12-15 02:59:47 UTC  

like, for us in southern illinois, it's just annoying

2018-12-15 02:59:57 UTC  

but for people trying to practice and have tight budgets for self defense

2018-12-15 03:00:01 UTC  

it's possibly a death knell

2018-12-15 03:00:31 UTC  

literally pushing the poor out

2018-12-15 03:06:29 UTC  

The main reason i got into guns was the politics
I was dragged along by my grandparents to the march for our lives since we live in northern va so i went along with them and seeing the protestors pushed me away over to the pro gun side

2018-12-15 03:06:45 UTC  

oh shit

2018-12-15 03:07:00 UTC  

I had never really paid attention to the gun debate before and seeing that these people didnt value the 2nd amendment at all changed my mind

2018-12-15 03:07:07 UTC  

funny, parkland really pushed me to finally get my FOID

2018-12-15 03:07:26 UTC  

~~and wait 90 days to exercise my 2nd amendment right~~

2018-12-15 03:07:42 UTC  

Lol

2018-12-15 03:08:06 UTC  

I know in new york(may just be nyc) its a crime to touch a gun at all if you dont have a license

2018-12-15 03:08:28 UTC  

Some places have really bad laws because the SCOTUS hasn't really taken gun cases

2018-12-15 03:08:38 UTC  

Lower courts are allowed to get away with a lot

2018-12-15 03:08:55 UTC  

kavanaugh didn't seem to change things much either

2018-12-15 03:09:01 UTC  

then again, it's barely been 2 monthes

2018-12-15 03:09:02 UTC  

soooo

2018-12-15 03:09:33 UTC  

New jersey reduced their magazine limit from 15 to 10 and you have to destroy your mag, get it modded to a 10 rounder, or ship it out of state or else you can be convicted of a felony, no grandfathering

2018-12-15 03:09:41 UTC  

And their court upheld that as constitutional

2018-12-15 03:09:54 UTC  

ridiculous.

2018-12-15 03:10:34 UTC  

I think in massachusetts you can be jailed for life if you have a bump stock, but if you have an actual illegal machine gun you'd only get the 10-15 years federal law has

2018-12-15 03:12:00 UTC  

The NFA itself shouldn't even be constitutional lol

2018-12-15 03:12:12 UTC  

Especially in combination with the hughes amendment

2018-12-15 03:12:13 UTC  

yeah, but good luck convincing moderates that

2018-12-15 03:12:19 UTC  

Its a de facto machine gun ban

2018-12-15 03:13:08 UTC  

Like, the things I think gun owners should be pushing for

>CMP being allowed to release surplus machine guns (m16s, m60's, etc.)
>CC Reciprocity
>HPA

These are thing that it's not hard to convince moderates on

2018-12-15 03:15:55 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/467577750325297162/523337384763457568/7xrMYeB.png

2018-12-15 03:18:23 UTC  

Lol people are scared already of machine guns, look at the bump stock panic, some people even think ar15s are machine guns due to misinformation

As for CC some places have extremely restrictive rules on who can CC to the point where only people with connections can get permits, and some people are convinced CC permit holders are just going to randomly shoot people(see the teachers with guns in schools debate)

Also with HPA most people are still convinced that silencers are what you see in movies

Then you have the incrementalist thinking, where gun rights vs gun control is a tug of war type of thing where even if what you give to the other side is harmless, you're still losing

2018-12-15 03:18:55 UTC  

The thing to convince moderates on right now is that "assault weapon" and "high capacity" magazine bans are useless and unconstitutional