oh shit

I had never really paid attention to the gun debate before and seeing that these people didnt value the 2nd amendment at all changed my mind

funny, parkland really pushed me to finally get my FOID

~~and wait 90 days to exercise my 2nd amendment right~~

Lol

I know in new york(may just be nyc) its a crime to touch a gun at all if you dont have a license

Some places have really bad laws because the SCOTUS hasn't really taken gun cases

Lower courts are allowed to get away with a lot

kavanaugh didn't seem to change things much either

then again, it's barely been 2 monthes

soooo

New jersey reduced their magazine limit from 15 to 10 and you have to destroy your mag, get it modded to a 10 rounder, or ship it out of state or else you can be convicted of a felony, no grandfathering

And their court upheld that as constitutional

ridiculous.

I think in massachusetts you can be jailed for life if you have a bump stock, but if you have an actual illegal machine gun you'd only get the 10-15 years federal law has

The NFA itself shouldn't even be constitutional lol

Especially in combination with the hughes amendment

yeah, but good luck convincing moderates that

Its a de facto machine gun ban

Like, the things I think gun owners should be pushing for

>CMP being allowed to release surplus machine guns (m16s, m60's, etc.)
>CC Reciprocity
>HPA

These are thing that it's not hard to convince moderates on

Lol people are scared already of machine guns, look at the bump stock panic, some people even think ar15s are machine guns due to misinformation

As for CC some places have extremely restrictive rules on who can CC to the point where only people with connections can get permits, and some people are convinced CC permit holders are just going to randomly shoot people(see the teachers with guns in schools debate)

Also with HPA most people are still convinced that silencers are what you see in movies

Then you have the incrementalist thinking, where gun rights vs gun control is a tug of war type of thing where even if what you give to the other side is harmless, you're still losing

The thing to convince moderates on right now is that "assault weapon" and "high capacity" magazine bans are useless and unconstitutional

Funny thing is gun control used to be about handgun control, they're used in the vast majority of homicides

Americans like their handguns though, so they moved on to "assault weapons"

And the more the media freaks about ar15s, the more people buy them

Funny thing about all of this is that i'm not even right leaning, im just a center left libertarian that likes to call out the democrats for their shit lol

Assault weapons is a nebulous term so that Democrats can manage to slowly encroach on rights

Yep

Even in the original AWB it banned stuff like the tec 9 and street sweeper shotgun

And in washington state I1639 redefines all semi auto rifles as "semi automatic assault rifles"

Yes, even 10/22s

In Australia our gun ban is overstated heavily by American media

It is, the buyback didnt even confiscate half of australia's guns and now australia has more guns than they did before the buyback

It also didn't have a significant impact on homicides or suicides afaik

I imagine there's a lot of "mysterious" trips to the outback with lots of brass and lead

People like to focus on gun deaths though, "look guys, banning guns lowered gun deaths", but overall deaths remain unchanged

Well people who want to kill themselves will do it another way obviously

The idea that you need to ban guns to stop people from choosing to take their own lives is incredibly insulting

You can still get a weapon if you wanted to go that way, you just need a reason like hunting