Message from @Grovyle
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I imagine there's a lot of "mysterious" trips to the outback with lots of brass and lead
People like to focus on gun deaths though, "look guys, banning guns lowered gun deaths", but overall deaths remain unchanged
Well people who want to kill themselves will do it another way obviously
The idea that you need to ban guns to stop people from choosing to take their own lives is incredibly insulting
You can still get a weapon if you wanted to go that way, you just need a reason like hunting
they recently banned a bolt action ar upper in straya
I mean...
maybe it could've been mistake for something a lot deadlier
and fearmongering.
sure, it's bullshit, but understandable.
australia also had a panic over lever action shotguns recently
pretty sure they put them in the most restrictive category
wait there are lever action shotguns?
I only know a very actual specific types of firearms. I'm not an expert on anything, but I'm not a fucking moron.
Yeah there's the winchester 1887, that's an older design but newer designs were made for australia
asutralia put pump shotguns in a pretty restricted category, but lever action ones weren't. So in australia lever action shotguns were pretty popular as a result, but then they got pushed to the most restricted category(i believe worse than pump action)
Ah, I see.
that's probably why I've never heard of them. pump and semi-auto are more common here
My father has a 20 gauge pump and a 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun.
they're like, antiques with how old they are though, and they work perfectly fucking fine.
Yeah I own a mosin nagant carbine manufactured in 1942 and it holds up well, only issue was the stock had a crack on it but i glued it and the stock doesnt impact functionality
Ah.
are guns just like, built really shitty these days or something?
As long as guns are maintained and stored well, with wearable parts replaced every so often(springs, magazine, etc) they can last a very long time
like in their durability?
Nah, depends on the company
for example remington got bought out and since then they've been putting poor finishes on their guns and have a tendency to rust
We did have lever action shotguns banned, as they deemed the fire rate contrary to legislation
oh dear.
mossberg is a very good alternative to remington though
they still make good guns
soon you'll only have break action with a lock that you have to use a key to open it
I may be tough with my beliefs, but I don't think an out right ban is a good thing either.
thats kind of how you need to have ARs in california, if you have any "assault weapon" features your magazine needs to be fixed into place and the gun's lower and upper receivers must be separated for you to remove the magazine or load it with a clip
Democrats love to mischaracterise the gun ban in Australia
@garonedin On the bright side, if history is any guide, NYS has a <5% compliance rate with it's own rifle registry. Plus local rural sheriffs are known for simply ignoring gun laws whenever possible (often being elected simply to do just that). https://hudsonvalleyone.com/2016/07/07/massive-noncompliance-with-safe-act/
If you want a nice narrative on how this all plays out: https://reason.com/archives/2018/02/20/after-the-gun-ban
Still won't help much in the long run and painful in what it does to availability of the fun stuff. But these things have a way of getting ignored in practice.
I joined the GOA, NRA, & SAF last year, @Grovyle. 👍🏽
cool
I'm not interested in joining the NRA though due to their politics and willingness to "compromise" (bump stocks, no NFA repeal, etc)
Only reason id join the NRA is being able to vote for board members to get the fudds out