Message from @Paladin308

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2018-12-26 07:12:33 UTC  

Have you seen how cheap AR15s are now?

2018-12-26 07:12:45 UTC  

on the order of hundreds of bucks

2018-12-26 07:12:54 UTC  

The tight tolerances aren't in the gas system

2018-12-26 07:13:00 UTC  

They're in the locking system

2018-12-26 07:13:30 UTC  

Regardless of how you unlock and cycle the action, you still need those tight tolerances in the locking system

2018-12-26 07:14:07 UTC  

Fancy new systems don't make things cheap, economy of scale does

2018-12-26 07:14:20 UTC  

i mean thats kindof objectively not always true

2018-12-26 07:14:28 UTC  

computerized control has made a lot of things cheaper

2018-12-26 07:14:29 UTC  

It's true enough

2018-12-26 07:14:34 UTC  

because its way less effort to make it work right

2018-12-26 07:14:39 UTC  

you just tell the machine what you want and it does it

2018-12-26 07:15:03 UTC  

Computer control only works in the first place because of economies of scale

2018-12-26 07:15:04 UTC  

in terms of timing and such thats a fairly good deal

2018-12-26 07:15:12 UTC  

yes and you can use the same sorts of parts

2018-12-26 07:15:13 UTC  

everywhere

2018-12-26 07:15:22 UTC  

because they are pretty general purpose transformers of input into arbitrary output

2018-12-26 07:15:40 UTC  

you dont need a new computer for every application generally speaking

2018-12-26 07:15:50 UTC  

and a whole huge assembly line

2018-12-26 07:16:57 UTC  

Thing is, minimum an electronically controlled firearm requires pressure sensors in the barrel, actuators to unlock, some sort of battery and charging system, and a processor

2018-12-26 07:17:18 UTC  

you could probably do it off of timing alone, but pressure sensing is just a transducer

2018-12-26 07:17:31 UTC  

A gas system does all the same stuff with a few simple mechanical components

2018-12-26 07:18:01 UTC  

Again, it's not about what's possible, it's about what it does *better*

2018-12-26 07:18:12 UTC  

i mean in a lot of cases the whole (generally carefully tuned) gas system is purely to drive the unlocking timing

2018-12-26 07:18:19 UTC  

based more or less off of when the trigger was pulled

2018-12-26 07:18:35 UTC  

Not necessarily

2018-12-26 07:18:40 UTC  

its not like it actually understands the pressure of the system

2018-12-26 07:18:44 UTC  

if you use the wrong ammo it simply doesnt work right

2018-12-26 07:18:52 UTC  

That's an over simplification of how gas systems work

2018-12-26 07:19:06 UTC  

sure but the fact remains that they arent doing the job of a pressure sensor hardly at all

2018-12-26 07:19:12 UTC  

except for reacting to the fact that there is pressure

2018-12-26 07:19:14 UTC  

And even presuming an electromechanical system it would still be ammo sensitive

2018-12-26 07:19:43 UTC  

if it didnt rely on a pressure sensor then yeah it would need consistent ammo

2018-12-26 07:19:43 UTC  

Unless you actually cycled the action electronically

2018-12-26 07:20:01 UTC  

well if it did rely off of pressure readings then it could concievably unlock when pressure drops to a safe level

2018-12-26 07:20:11 UTC  

and then let the bolt cycle normally

2018-12-26 07:20:20 UTC  

But again, how is that significantly better?

2018-12-26 07:20:42 UTC  

Under what plausible circumstances would that be a real benefit

2018-12-26 07:21:00 UTC  

Why not just use quality ammo?

2018-12-26 07:21:26 UTC  

no pressure system, not neccesarily a need for the primer in cartridges

2018-12-26 07:21:31 UTC  

Realistically, inconsistent ammunition is not a significant problem

2018-12-26 07:21:34 UTC  

well because ammo costs money