Message from @Paladin308

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2018-12-26 07:09:34 UTC  

you could recharge the system via a crank driven by the bolt as mentioned earlier

2018-12-26 07:09:56 UTC  

its potentially just a coil to shove the locking mechanism around

2018-12-26 07:10:01 UTC  

You could, but that's not what matters, what matters is why you would

2018-12-26 07:10:12 UTC  

easier, no need for a gas piston

2018-12-26 07:10:28 UTC  

no need for super finely toleranced systems designed to release the locking at the exact right time off of gas pressure alone

2018-12-26 07:10:34 UTC  

that take years to perfect

2018-12-26 07:10:52 UTC  

You're replacing one simple mechanical piece with several more complicated electromechanical assemblies

2018-12-26 07:10:58 UTC  

That is not a net benefit

2018-12-26 07:11:20 UTC  

its maybe two moving parts

2018-12-26 07:11:26 UTC  

little locks on either side of the bolt that extend and retract

2018-12-26 07:11:29 UTC  

Modern gas operation systems do not require years to perfect, that work is already done

2018-12-26 07:11:38 UTC  

insofar as you arent making a new gun at that point

2018-12-26 07:11:53 UTC  

Why reinvent the wheel?

2018-12-26 07:11:57 UTC  

either there is a fair bit of fiddling to do as your particular gas system is refined

2018-12-26 07:12:02 UTC  

or its another ar-15 derivative

2018-12-26 07:12:09 UTC  

well because potentially it would be cheaper

2018-12-26 07:12:16 UTC  

to have something that doesnt need these super toleranced parts

2018-12-26 07:12:25 UTC  

even the g3 needs a huge amount of machine work to make it precisely enough for it to run right

2018-12-26 07:12:33 UTC  

Have you seen how cheap AR15s are now?

2018-12-26 07:12:45 UTC  

on the order of hundreds of bucks

2018-12-26 07:12:54 UTC  

The tight tolerances aren't in the gas system

2018-12-26 07:13:00 UTC  

They're in the locking system

2018-12-26 07:13:30 UTC  

Regardless of how you unlock and cycle the action, you still need those tight tolerances in the locking system

2018-12-26 07:14:07 UTC  

Fancy new systems don't make things cheap, economy of scale does

2018-12-26 07:14:20 UTC  

i mean thats kindof objectively not always true

2018-12-26 07:14:28 UTC  

computerized control has made a lot of things cheaper

2018-12-26 07:14:29 UTC  

It's true enough

2018-12-26 07:14:34 UTC  

because its way less effort to make it work right

2018-12-26 07:14:39 UTC  

you just tell the machine what you want and it does it

2018-12-26 07:15:03 UTC  

Computer control only works in the first place because of economies of scale

2018-12-26 07:15:04 UTC  

in terms of timing and such thats a fairly good deal

2018-12-26 07:15:12 UTC  

yes and you can use the same sorts of parts

2018-12-26 07:15:13 UTC  

everywhere

2018-12-26 07:15:22 UTC  

because they are pretty general purpose transformers of input into arbitrary output

2018-12-26 07:15:40 UTC  

you dont need a new computer for every application generally speaking

2018-12-26 07:15:50 UTC  

and a whole huge assembly line

2018-12-26 07:16:57 UTC  

Thing is, minimum an electronically controlled firearm requires pressure sensors in the barrel, actuators to unlock, some sort of battery and charging system, and a processor

2018-12-26 07:17:18 UTC  

you could probably do it off of timing alone, but pressure sensing is just a transducer

2018-12-26 07:17:31 UTC  

A gas system does all the same stuff with a few simple mechanical components

2018-12-26 07:18:01 UTC  

Again, it's not about what's possible, it's about what it does *better*

2018-12-26 07:18:12 UTC  

i mean in a lot of cases the whole (generally carefully tuned) gas system is purely to drive the unlocking timing