Message from @Paladin308

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2018-12-26 07:15:04 UTC  

in terms of timing and such thats a fairly good deal

2018-12-26 07:15:12 UTC  

yes and you can use the same sorts of parts

2018-12-26 07:15:13 UTC  

everywhere

2018-12-26 07:15:22 UTC  

because they are pretty general purpose transformers of input into arbitrary output

2018-12-26 07:15:40 UTC  

you dont need a new computer for every application generally speaking

2018-12-26 07:15:50 UTC  

and a whole huge assembly line

2018-12-26 07:16:57 UTC  

Thing is, minimum an electronically controlled firearm requires pressure sensors in the barrel, actuators to unlock, some sort of battery and charging system, and a processor

2018-12-26 07:17:18 UTC  

you could probably do it off of timing alone, but pressure sensing is just a transducer

2018-12-26 07:17:31 UTC  

A gas system does all the same stuff with a few simple mechanical components

2018-12-26 07:18:01 UTC  

Again, it's not about what's possible, it's about what it does *better*

2018-12-26 07:18:12 UTC  

i mean in a lot of cases the whole (generally carefully tuned) gas system is purely to drive the unlocking timing

2018-12-26 07:18:19 UTC  

based more or less off of when the trigger was pulled

2018-12-26 07:18:35 UTC  

Not necessarily

2018-12-26 07:18:40 UTC  

its not like it actually understands the pressure of the system

2018-12-26 07:18:44 UTC  

if you use the wrong ammo it simply doesnt work right

2018-12-26 07:18:52 UTC  

That's an over simplification of how gas systems work

2018-12-26 07:19:06 UTC  

sure but the fact remains that they arent doing the job of a pressure sensor hardly at all

2018-12-26 07:19:12 UTC  

except for reacting to the fact that there is pressure

2018-12-26 07:19:14 UTC  

And even presuming an electromechanical system it would still be ammo sensitive

2018-12-26 07:19:43 UTC  

if it didnt rely on a pressure sensor then yeah it would need consistent ammo

2018-12-26 07:19:43 UTC  

Unless you actually cycled the action electronically

2018-12-26 07:20:01 UTC  

well if it did rely off of pressure readings then it could concievably unlock when pressure drops to a safe level

2018-12-26 07:20:11 UTC  

and then let the bolt cycle normally

2018-12-26 07:20:20 UTC  

But again, how is that significantly better?

2018-12-26 07:20:42 UTC  

Under what plausible circumstances would that be a real benefit

2018-12-26 07:21:00 UTC  

Why not just use quality ammo?

2018-12-26 07:21:26 UTC  

no pressure system, not neccesarily a need for the primer in cartridges

2018-12-26 07:21:31 UTC  

Realistically, inconsistent ammunition is not a significant problem

2018-12-26 07:21:34 UTC  

well because ammo costs money

2018-12-26 07:21:37 UTC  

a fair bit these days as well

2018-12-26 07:22:04 UTC  

Inconsistent ammo introduces a whole lot more problems than just reliability

2018-12-26 07:22:18 UTC  

I've been thinking about buying a .22 rifle just so I can afford to go target shooting without spending a fortune

2018-12-26 07:22:18 UTC  

i dont personally see that much use in the inconsistent ammo thing im just pointing out it could do that way better than a gas system

2018-12-26 07:22:40 UTC  

It might be able to, but it doesn't matter

2018-12-26 07:22:53 UTC  

sure, so moving on it does away with the gas system and requires less fiddling

2018-12-26 07:23:03 UTC  

ammo is consistent so it takes the exact same time more or less every time to go from ignition to extraction

2018-12-26 07:23:18 UTC  

and you just unlock it at the right time

2018-12-26 07:23:20 UTC  

I've built my own guns, the gas system didn't need any fiddling

2018-12-26 07:23:29 UTC  

you mean like

2018-12-26 07:23:32 UTC  

from scratch?

2018-12-26 07:23:34 UTC  

machine the parts