Message from @DrWittMDPhD

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2018-11-14 23:02:26 UTC  

Thats true

2018-11-14 23:03:02 UTC  

Bottom line is that rights don't exist without enforcement. The only way things are enforced is through some mechanism of authority.

2018-11-14 23:03:21 UTC  

They still exist retard

2018-11-14 23:03:24 UTC  

You just have to think loose with the definition of authority to get that to fit in AnCapistan

2018-11-14 23:03:40 UTC  

The only way they dont is if people cease to think

2018-11-14 23:03:41 UTC  

Well they exist as much as unicorns exist

2018-11-14 23:03:43 UTC  

As an idea

2018-11-14 23:03:50 UTC  

If that's the route you wanna go down

2018-11-14 23:04:04 UTC  

They're only in the material world through enforcement by some form of authority

2018-11-14 23:04:33 UTC  

Rights are derived from thought

2018-11-14 23:04:55 UTC  

Yes as are all things, but there's a difference in our view on the definition of rights "existing"

2018-11-14 23:05:10 UTC  

They are only manifest as a rule in reality through enforcement

2018-11-14 23:05:15 UTC  

I guess you could squeeze it and say for rights to exist we must own ourselves

2018-11-14 23:05:27 UTC  

Which is kind of authority

2018-11-14 23:05:56 UTC  

But either way they come from thought

2018-11-14 23:06:11 UTC  

Yeah but the concept of unicorns come from thought, and they don't exist in the material world

2018-11-14 23:06:16 UTC  

This is an important distinction

2018-11-14 23:06:28 UTC  

Sure but rights are based on the metaphysics

2018-11-14 23:06:45 UTC  

Yes, but they have a material consequence through their enforcement through authority

2018-11-14 23:06:46 UTC  

Also unicorns are considered to be material if they existed

2018-11-14 23:07:08 UTC  

Unicorns exist in a lesser capacity than a horse, or an enforced human right.

2018-11-14 23:07:32 UTC  

They only exist metaphysically, where a right is rooted in metaphysics, but extends to the real world through enforcement

2018-11-14 23:08:00 UTC  

Everything extends through metaphysics

2018-11-14 23:08:06 UTC  

Yeah which is my point

2018-11-14 23:08:22 UTC  

That's a lesser form of existence than something measurable in objective reality

2018-11-14 23:08:37 UTC  

They exist as a concept

2018-11-14 23:08:38 UTC  

Every idea exists metaphysically, but they exist in a lesser sense than the material

2018-11-14 23:09:21 UTC  

Literally nothing "doesn't exist" if you define existence to be only dependent on being an idea

2018-11-14 23:10:05 UTC  

That's why things existing metaphysically only shouldn't be considered to exist purely based on the idea of them being able to be thought.

2018-11-14 23:10:11 UTC  

True but the way they are written and talked about in mythology is based on it being material

2018-11-14 23:10:32 UTC  

Yes, so that's a better definition of existence.

2018-11-14 23:10:40 UTC  

But for a concept to exist one must be rationall

2018-11-14 23:11:14 UTC  

No not really. The concept of rage or lust can be felt, they don't need to be rationalized.

2018-11-14 23:11:32 UTC  

Those are percepts

2018-11-14 23:11:46 UTC  

Rage is still a concept

2018-11-14 23:11:57 UTC  

Define rage

2018-11-14 23:12:14 UTC  

Violent, uncontrollable anger.

2018-11-14 23:12:17 UTC  

According to google

2018-11-14 23:12:52 UTC  

Thats a percept id say it doesnt combine two or more concretes

2018-11-14 23:13:37 UTC  

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2018-11-14 23:13:47 UTC  

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