Message from @DrWittMDPhD

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2018-11-14 23:07:08 UTC  

Unicorns exist in a lesser capacity than a horse, or an enforced human right.

2018-11-14 23:07:32 UTC  

They only exist metaphysically, where a right is rooted in metaphysics, but extends to the real world through enforcement

2018-11-14 23:08:00 UTC  

Everything extends through metaphysics

2018-11-14 23:08:06 UTC  

Yeah which is my point

2018-11-14 23:08:22 UTC  

That's a lesser form of existence than something measurable in objective reality

2018-11-14 23:08:37 UTC  

They exist as a concept

2018-11-14 23:08:38 UTC  

Every idea exists metaphysically, but they exist in a lesser sense than the material

2018-11-14 23:09:21 UTC  

Literally nothing "doesn't exist" if you define existence to be only dependent on being an idea

2018-11-14 23:10:05 UTC  

That's why things existing metaphysically only shouldn't be considered to exist purely based on the idea of them being able to be thought.

2018-11-14 23:10:11 UTC  

True but the way they are written and talked about in mythology is based on it being material

2018-11-14 23:10:32 UTC  

Yes, so that's a better definition of existence.

2018-11-14 23:10:40 UTC  

But for a concept to exist one must be rationall

2018-11-14 23:11:14 UTC  

No not really. The concept of rage or lust can be felt, they don't need to be rationalized.

2018-11-14 23:11:32 UTC  

Those are percepts

2018-11-14 23:11:46 UTC  

Rage is still a concept

2018-11-14 23:11:57 UTC  

Define rage

2018-11-14 23:12:14 UTC  

Violent, uncontrollable anger.

2018-11-14 23:12:17 UTC  

According to google

2018-11-14 23:12:52 UTC  

Thats a percept id say it doesnt combine two or more concretes

2018-11-14 23:13:37 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463059337162653716/512404769596243968/6454cdec337b16d54535aa88c5d6fdfe.png

2018-11-14 23:13:47 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463059337162653716/512404814597062666/f1ea0422337278754a4671398f8497fe.png

2018-11-14 23:13:53 UTC  

It is both

2018-11-14 23:14:06 UTC  

Everything is a concept

2018-11-14 23:14:12 UTC  

I meant percept not precept sorry

2018-11-14 23:14:45 UTC  

Okay so it's all 3 of these

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463059337162653716/512405054423171074/3fa620417e69cdeafefeef47f96d491a.png

2018-11-14 23:15:00 UTC  

The fact that it's a feeling doesn't mean it's not a concept

2018-11-14 23:15:26 UTC  

My understanding of concepts is its 2 or more intigrated percepts

2018-11-14 23:15:48 UTC  

That's some highly specialized definition that I have never seen used

2018-11-14 23:15:53 UTC  

Where are you getting that?

2018-11-14 23:16:30 UTC  

From Ayn Rand

2018-11-14 23:17:44 UTC  

Okay, well if you want to adjust the definition of concept to fit in Ayn Rand's shit then go ahead. There's no reason to completely change the meaning of concept

2018-11-14 23:20:53 UTC  

I dont know where she derived the definitions or if she changed it

2018-11-14 23:22:02 UTC  

Well just compare it to the standard definition of "concept". According to the general definition, everything is a concept

2018-11-14 23:22:22 UTC  

Here

2018-11-14 23:23:02 UTC  
2018-11-14 23:25:46 UTC  

Okay if you want to use this rando definition of concept, we can. What do you hope to achieve with this redefinition?

2018-11-14 23:28:19 UTC  

@DrWittMDPhD Its more broken down and fits her philosophy more and its how she broke down a man thinking and how the fundamentals

2018-11-14 23:28:45 UTC  

Plus its more clearly defined

2018-11-14 23:29:22 UTC  

Okay I grant you that. She's splitting the word so it means a very specific thing, but what do you want to do with that? We agree on the terms now. So what are we using Ayn Rand's definition for?

2018-11-14 23:29:56 UTC  

If we look back on the original topic of "do rights exist if they aren't regulated" then I don't see how this does anything