Message from @DrWittMDPhD
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Well based on the definition he's kind of right, but what I suspect he means is wrong
This is why some people want control
Its plain and simple my dood
@DrWittMDPhD Rights can exist without being upheld or protected it just lowers the quality of life
Rights come from rationality
Well the concept of a right can definitely exist, but some enforcement mechanism needs to be in place. Whether it's a government, or the agreement in a society to follow "the NAO"
when it comes to politics just remember @Existence is identity some people don't give a shit about others as long as they become the upper-class in the end and down trod the rest
The "Authority of the individual" would enforce the NAP in AnCap utopia
Thats true
Bottom line is that rights don't exist without enforcement. The only way things are enforced is through some mechanism of authority.
They still exist retard
You just have to think loose with the definition of authority to get that to fit in AnCapistan
The only way they dont is if people cease to think
Well they exist as much as unicorns exist
As an idea
If that's the route you wanna go down
They're only in the material world through enforcement by some form of authority
Rights are derived from thought
Yes as are all things, but there's a difference in our view on the definition of rights "existing"
I guess you could squeeze it and say for rights to exist we must own ourselves
Which is kind of authority
But either way they come from thought
Yeah but the concept of unicorns come from thought, and they don't exist in the material world
This is an important distinction
Sure but rights are based on the metaphysics
Yes, but they have a material consequence through their enforcement through authority
Also unicorns are considered to be material if they existed
Unicorns exist in a lesser capacity than a horse, or an enforced human right.
They only exist metaphysically, where a right is rooted in metaphysics, but extends to the real world through enforcement
Everything extends through metaphysics
Yeah which is my point
That's a lesser form of existence than something measurable in objective reality
They exist as a concept
Every idea exists metaphysically, but they exist in a lesser sense than the material
Literally nothing "doesn't exist" if you define existence to be only dependent on being an idea
That's why things existing metaphysically only shouldn't be considered to exist purely based on the idea of them being able to be thought.
True but the way they are written and talked about in mythology is based on it being material
Yes, so that's a better definition of existence.
But for a concept to exist one must be rationall