Yes, rights are the extension of this thought into the material world. But there's no right to free speech if no one enforces your right to free speech. It would be an idea that you hold, not a thought that is extended into the material world. And his ownership is only recognized if he enforces his own ownership. (Or the government enforces his ownership for him)

You don't own land if you can't stop people from living and building on it.

You still own yourselves and your thoughts

Thoughts aren't inherently material

But the rights themselves are still there just force is imposed that restrict practice of these rights

They don't exist outside of conceptualization unless they are cast into the material world

The IDEA is still there

But ideas don't exist in the same way that rocks do

We need to define exist

Cause we're getting caught up on that

These are not dank memes

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Will you fight? Or will you die like a dog?

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Existence exists—and the act of grasping that statement implies two corollary axioms: that something exists which one perceives and that one exists possessing consciousness, consciousness being the faculty of perceiving that which exists.

Solipsism ayy

If you define existence like that then unicorns exist. You can perceive the thought of unicorns.

That's why that definition of existence is useless. Everything under that definition of existence "exists"

Even a socialist society that doesn't lead to starvation and genocide.

It exists only in the consciousness but ignores the material things around it

Which is a contradiction

So if unicorns are a contradiction, then how do you see that definition of "existence" to be valid?

Reality is that which exists; the unreal does not exist; the unreal is merely that negation of existence which is the content of a human consciousness when it attempts to abandon reason.

@DrWittMDPhD Its a negation of existence

Okay so if unicorns don't exist because they are only a product of the mind and are not in reality, then rights don't exist unless they are enforced. If a right is ignored, it is simply an idea because it has no means to affect reality.

Yes

Okay so we agree that rights don't materially exist without enforcement, but they do conceptually exist no matter what, because everything exists conceptually

Mans nature to think brought rights which can be observed and traced back in his actions

Yes

Okay. Well done lads

@DrWittMDPhD Where do you stand politcally?

Or have you read any philosophers?

Center rightish. Below the Authoritarian line a bit

My only philosopher is Sargon 😎

500 IQ btw

Eww sargon

Can't boom the boomer tbh

Why would you lower your standards that low to the point of someone be that worse than you

LUL