Message from @DrWittMDPhD
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Also mans property rights come from man owning what he creates and himself which is part of rationality
Yes, rights are the extension of this thought into the material world. But there's no right to free speech if no one enforces your right to free speech. It would be an idea that you hold, not a thought that is extended into the material world. And his ownership is only recognized if he enforces his own ownership. (Or the government enforces his ownership for him)
You don't own land if you can't stop people from living and building on it.
You still own yourselves and your thoughts
Thoughts aren't inherently material
But the rights themselves are still there just force is imposed that restrict practice of these rights
They don't exist outside of conceptualization unless they are cast into the material world
The IDEA is still there
But ideas don't exist in the same way that rocks do
We need to define exist
Cause we're getting caught up on that
These are not dank memes
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Will you fight? Or will you die like a dog?
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Existence existsโand the act of grasping that statement implies two corollary axioms: that something exists which one perceives and that one exists possessing consciousness, consciousness being the faculty of perceiving that which exists.
Solipsism ayy
If you define existence like that then unicorns exist. You can perceive the thought of unicorns.
That's why that definition of existence is useless. Everything under that definition of existence "exists"
It exists only in the consciousness but ignores the material things around it
Which is a contradiction
So if unicorns are a contradiction, then how do you see that definition of "existence" to be valid?
Reality is that which exists; the unreal does not exist; the unreal is merely that negation of existence which is the content of a human consciousness when it attempts to abandon reason.
@DrWittMDPhD Its a negation of existence
Okay so if unicorns don't exist because they are only a product of the mind and are not in reality, then rights don't exist unless they are enforced. If a right is ignored, it is simply an idea because it has no means to affect reality.
Yes
Okay so we agree that rights don't materially exist without enforcement, but they do conceptually exist no matter what, because everything exists conceptually
Mans nature to think brought rights which can be observed and traced back in his actions
Yes
Okay. Well done lads
@DrWittMDPhD Where do you stand politcally?
Or have you read any philosophers?
Center rightish. Below the Authoritarian line a bit
My only philosopher is Sargon ๐
500 IQ btw
Eww sargon
Can't boom the boomer tbh
Why would you lower your standards that low to the point of someone be that worse than you