Message from @GingaBomber
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Individualism is an ideology for people who want no responsibles and have no ambition in life.
I wish that made sense
I think we saw responsibility differently.
this is <#398973785426100234> btw
get out of my memespace you facists
But I could argue that an individual would do better with ambition if not chained by collective doctrine.
Well, it is beneficial for us to work together and compensate for each other's weaknesses, as it does make the whole better. The split comes when some want to *force* people to cover for other people's weaknesses.
Well its just punishment vs incentivising.
You are incentivised to compensate for anothers weakness in capitalism.
Yes, but you still have the choice, whereas you don't if you're being forced.
Collective doctrine gives people something to work for were individualism only brings nihilism for most people.
Yes I personally need the government to force me to not be suicidal this is true
this is a bit meta
Heres the thing then. Not everyone can handle being free.
Like showing the entire deck in HS as opposed to showing parts of it.
Overwhealmed by choice as they say.
Yeah, it can form a sense of purpose and cohesion. I mean, I don't want to start any kind of debate since I'm just using it as an example, but I am Christian, and that's made me far more content with my life and given me a purpose more than anything else beforehand.
Goverment has nothing to do with it people need a group identity for a sense of purpose.
group identity?
inb4 the hate. lol
@JadenFrostwolf why do you expect hate 🤔
What if it simply makes the collective resistant to change in general.
Well, I'm used to the "lol your a Christian?!" kind of responses. lol
lmfao i'm over that
Like the leftists, blm, sjws and antifa. Are these not the results we feared should collectivism take root.
How do you prevent those first
a corporation is a collective
But yeah, it can result in mob mentality, which is why we do need individual freedoms, just not taken to an extreme.
@ping you know nationality, ethic, racial and or religious.
Well I mean there are benefits
The question now is how do you deal with well, unruly collectives while respecting their rights to assemble.
I may be getting this wrong, but isn't individualism taken to it's extreme anarchism?
yes it is.
Yeah
So basically, there's a balance to be struck.
But whos saying extremes are healthy?
Most of us undestand the need for a functional government.
I don't know, but it seems that the lefties are going further and further left every year. lol
Yes people need to have some rights like property rights but the goverment need to be able to use force.
I think I'm just rambling now, it's late, sorry. lol