it also doesent mean sex

in any connotation

I'm getting vibes of the whole "what is white?" debates earlier with Sargon...

>gender means biological sex, it is not a verb
I don't think this can be said more simply than this

there are no boats with physical sexual traits there is no way for me to have gender with your mom

boats have no gender in chinese

So because coke exists, that means coke can't mean coke at the same time?

thats because gender is arbitrary

no it isn't z.z

this is back to Belial earlier argument, gender should still mean sex, the noun definition of sex, not the verb one.

gendered nouns it's not the same as biological sex

i mean theres so much overwelming evidence that it is that denying it it honestly awesome at this point but if you cant be convenced then ignorence is bliss

>so much overwelming evidence
point to it

sauce plz

you can't say gender is arbitrary because you say boats are female

no i wont, because if your asking for it now it means you havent listened to me this entire time and you arnt worth any more of it

that isn't even convincing

From my experience, when there really is "so much evidence" of something, then it doesn't need to be pointed out that there is so much evidence of it.

that sounds like the usual "educate yourself because I have no arguments"

In conversations like this, at least.

there is so much evidence that gender was always the same as sex for more than 2000 years, that I could play the same _theres so much overwelming evidence_

Wat

@Arch-Fiend Grammatical Gender is so different from normal gender that they felt the need to specify it being different with the word grammatical. And as with the article noted earlier, would make more sense to call noun classes, not gender. So there goes your boat argument because boat being called she, or a feminine article, is either personification or noun class, not referencing anything related to sex or gender for that matter aside from names applied to it for teaching reasons. Gender used to be used to specify the noun definition of sex, a useful way to differentiate from the verbal definition. The only other definitions thrown around lead to gender being meaningless. Since it used to have a meaning, then it makes little sense to strip it of meaning for arbitrary reasons. Doing so just leads to two sides, using the same word, to argue two unrelated points.

Basically, Because we gendered inanimate objects and inanimate objects don't have sex we shouldn't gender humans based on sex?

Tf is that reasoning

@ping not correct

Not at you

its not we shouldn't gender humans, its that gender is not the same as sex, and shouldn't be used for it

i.e. it doesn't mean male or female

Tbh I don't care what words people use

while you shouldn't, you also should. because otherwise you can't talk to people

If it's conveying the same thing either way I don't see the point

i'm just not using any of that xim/xer/attack helicopter nonsense.

Right

i'll use attack helicopter

Maybe that one.

Mayonnaise

I use the apache thing

because if i can be anything i want, i might as well be something epic

it destroys them

i should say Hind attack chopper