Maybe the german model? Force all kids to spend a year doing community service or something?

get them some humility and prospective?

It's hard to get around my understanding that the most awful shit I have experienced, is the very same shit that has proven most instructive.

well, its called having a bit of order

total order is bad

like total chaos

but a bit of both is healthy

fuck. Healthily living always comes back to that ying yang crap.

So do you think the pendulum is swinging in the right direction currently?

balance

nah its currently being pushed further left by the media

but within the next 5-10 years its going to slam back really bad

and go full right

it is speeding up or slowing?

The 'higher class' people are pushing towards the left, whereas the middle and underclasses are going further and further right, at least those that do a little bit more than just take the MSM's word for everything.

oh definately slowing

I will agree its slowing

the year of "community service" in germany is optional since... for a few years now

So the concern if the slowing will result in a change in direction or if it ceases to slow

before that is was mandatory either "community service" or military

@I AM ERROR that is sad news

yeah... i liked the concept... but it really screwed with long term planning...

I really think that taking inner city boys and making them do a year of forestry work with some grizzled ass former staff SGT would do wonders for males with no male role model at home

nah

have them work with adult mentally disabled people

or help in the hospital (which is what i did)

If their lives give them the empathy to do so, then sure

But the chunk without empathy are the ones who need the dog eat dog hierarchy of military service to shape them

believe me... holding the hand of someone while they are dying is gonna teach them empathy.

big reason why I am the only dude from my high school friend group that is not in prision

the people you are talking about were the ones that had no chance of getting around the military service if they got "drafted"

I consider myself a sociopath that was socialized by court order through the military.

you had to convince the military that your convictions do not allow you to participate in wars and/or to shoot a gun

So you had to admit to being a pussy

ouch

i'm still a sociopath mostly...

that had to hurt in the man feelz

not really, no 😄

really? Like one of the primary drives to force yourself to fight is constant awareness of your position in the hierarchy of badass

From national guard to special forces, everyone knew their position and jostled for progression constantly

Most of the desire to do battle was derived from that desire to climb the hierachy