Message from @Arch-Fiend

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2018-03-23 01:39:27 UTC  

As long as they follow the procedure outlined by the DMCA, they cannot get sued because of participants on their platform.

2018-03-23 01:39:49 UTC  

That prevents Youtube from getting sued, Server farms from getting sued, Etc. Etc.

2018-03-23 01:40:04 UTC  

Now, youtube's had to tweak their policies a little bit

2018-03-23 01:40:20 UTC  

But when someone gets a DMCA through youtube now

2018-03-23 01:40:27 UTC  

they're given a notice, and a realistic period to respond

2018-03-23 01:40:38 UTC  

If they respond, they either take down the video, or submit a counter-claim.

2018-03-23 01:41:26 UTC  

The point of this, is that the claimant is now legally engaged with the creator of the video.

2018-03-23 01:41:46 UTC  

instead of the company(ies) hosting it.

2018-03-23 01:42:23 UTC  

From there, it's up to the claimant to decide to bring it to court or not.

2018-03-23 01:44:01 UTC  
2018-03-23 01:47:09 UTC  

Clarification is necessary, was that a rebuttal?

2018-03-23 01:47:12 UTC  

The screenshot, I mean.

2018-03-23 01:51:43 UTC  

logicly if youtube has the ability to monitor copyright data then they have not only the ability to find it on their platform after its been uploaded but i think at some point it will be argued they should assign a function of its service design rather than as requested by the copy right claiment. and by that i mean not that a copyright holder should not need to tell youtube to enforce their copyright but however that the standard of enforcing that copyright by the service would be raised to a level that the system permanently checks for it until the copyright is no longer valid

2018-03-23 01:51:59 UTC  

bascly using the demonitization bot as a copyright bot

2018-03-23 01:52:44 UTC  

See, I do disagree to the point that they try to automate the system

2018-03-23 01:53:03 UTC  

again, automation, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

2018-03-23 01:53:04 UTC  

but

2018-03-23 01:53:14 UTC  

Their bot won't be able to detect context to argue fair use.

2018-03-23 01:53:20 UTC  

In my opinion, rights holders should be the one with the burden of proof

2018-03-23 01:53:24 UTC  

im not saying i want them to do it, but im saying i think that copyright will try to argue they should do it

2018-03-23 01:53:25 UTC  

^ ^ ^

2018-03-23 01:54:13 UTC  

If you own the rights to some music, it's on you to prove that it's not being used according to fair use

2018-03-23 01:54:23 UTC  

Mmmhmm

2018-03-23 01:54:25 UTC  

I'm a photographer

2018-03-23 01:54:36 UTC  

and one thing that I do with any photo I put on social media

2018-03-23 01:54:38 UTC  

I find places and ways

2018-03-23 01:54:50 UTC  

Same with movies, photos, etc.

2018-03-23 01:54:52 UTC  

to put watermarks on a photo in a way that won't be noticed unless you're SPECIFICALLY looking for it.

2018-03-23 01:54:58 UTC  

i think at some point they will win that arguement consitering that if youtube has the power to enforce the copyright even more than they currently do and youtube doesent then they can argue youtube is knowingly not using their full power to enforce their rights on their platform

2018-03-23 01:55:04 UTC  

but if someone were to use my photo without my permission

2018-03-23 01:55:08 UTC  

and think that they'll get away with it

2018-03-23 01:55:10 UTC  

they won't.

2018-03-23 01:55:22 UTC  

you have to understand the rights of individuals are secondary to the rights of business in the usa

2018-03-23 01:55:31 UTC  

First, the photo I post is cropped. Second, it has a watermark with my company's name

2018-03-23 01:55:38 UTC  

and google/youtube is a usa business

2018-03-23 01:55:40 UTC  

very VERY faintly, hidden in a shadow.

2018-03-23 01:56:09 UTC  

I agree, Corporatism is a problem.

2018-03-23 01:57:49 UTC  

thats why im saying youtube is in trouble because i think youtube will have to face giving the power of indiscriminent bots to the hands of copyright enforcers or have those enforcers try to get safe harbor pulled out from under them and the reason this is even a problem is because youtube is creating more and more accurate bot ai's to monitor youtube for their revinue stream

2018-03-23 01:58:31 UTC  

the best case scenario youtube has is the former and i dont think we have any idea just how much that will change things

2018-03-23 01:58:47 UTC  

most of my music playlists wil lbe gone im sure