Message from @RyeNorth

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2018-05-19 06:09:35 UTC  

on average

2018-05-19 06:09:56 UTC  

Most definitely.

2018-05-19 06:10:05 UTC  

I can get that.

2018-05-19 06:10:13 UTC  

But then we get into the realm of authoritarianism.

2018-05-19 06:10:20 UTC  

Just because something is the average

2018-05-19 06:10:26 UTC  

does that mean that you make your laws based on that average?

2018-05-19 06:10:53 UTC  

Do you make your laws rigid, and in opposition to the outliers?

2018-05-19 06:11:16 UTC  

At what point is the cutoff of majority?

2018-05-19 06:11:38 UTC  

51%? 75%? are the bottom 25% the problem? the bottom 10%?

2018-05-19 06:11:43 UTC  

If you remove those, the average shifts.

2018-05-19 06:12:12 UTC  

That's the essence of a purity spiral.

2018-05-19 06:12:22 UTC  

The point of culture is that it can be adopted.

2018-05-19 06:12:27 UTC  

if your not serving the average your not serving the most. but that actually isint the point of this. it can be argued you serve both the majority and minority by segragating them if the minority has less of a chance of being happy sharing the space of the majority regardless of what you do as a governemnt or a society and the happyness of the minority effects your majority

2018-05-19 06:14:07 UTC  

But as for the members of an ethnic group that don't share the same history, but do share the same values

2018-05-19 06:14:20 UTC  

Do you weigh their ethnicity as more important as their values?

2018-05-19 06:14:33 UTC  

Do you judge them by the group, or by the individual?

2018-05-19 06:15:14 UTC  

you can only make rules for groups but you must account for individuals

2018-05-19 06:15:33 UTC  

That's a relatively fair answer.

2018-05-19 06:16:11 UTC  

See, the true way out of this is actually about as hard as ethno-nationalism, but far more fair.

2018-05-19 06:16:32 UTC  

Hold everyone to the same standard

2018-05-19 06:16:36 UTC  

and leave the exit door open.

2018-05-19 06:17:30 UTC  

i think most people will adopt the native culture under normal cercomstances, however this is not the case in extreme cercomstances which you as a social engineer cannot always predict and can not always prevent.

2018-05-19 06:18:02 UTC  

mass immigation is an example of an extreme cercomstance

2018-05-19 06:18:09 UTC  

I mean, Our pal Aryan over there says we should just *force* everyone not white to leave.

2018-05-19 06:18:23 UTC  

another example is whatever the fuck is going on with black people in america

2018-05-19 06:18:26 UTC  

I don't think it's NECESSARY to do so.

2018-05-19 06:18:42 UTC  

i would disagree with his move

2018-05-19 06:19:03 UTC  

except maybe in europe for anyone whos part of the mass immigation there

2018-05-19 06:19:19 UTC  

because those huge population spikes will become cultural problems over time

2018-05-19 06:20:01 UTC  

just ending immigration there wont solve those, but id also be willing not to solve those for a compramise of shutting down immigration

2018-05-19 06:20:45 UTC  

see personally im just anti-immigration in general with no personal reguards for identity politics

2018-05-19 06:21:35 UTC  

As for the US, let's say you were to drop the safety net, to a degree.

2018-05-19 06:22:10 UTC  

Actually allow for a true failure state for individuals.

2018-05-19 06:22:29 UTC  

Regardless of race

2018-05-19 06:22:37 UTC  

failure state?

2018-05-19 06:23:50 UTC  

As in, no comfort in welfare.

2018-05-19 06:24:23 UTC  

interesting the first thing that came to my mind with failure state was ironicly creating a state for people who dont want to be american but also dont wanna live anywhere else 😛

2018-05-19 06:24:37 UTC  

I mean, that's also a possibility.

2018-05-19 06:24:42 UTC  

A far more realistic one.

2018-05-19 06:24:57 UTC  

If we could bring Federalism back to full force

2018-05-19 06:25:22 UTC  

Instead of waging these battles in the federal government