I'm not even saying it was an intentional thing white people did

I mean

The things that caused the most damage are the things that we intended to help the most.

As with most points where, in particular, America, tries to interfere.

it started with the disenfranchized who could not emulate with the american history and felt ostrisized and opressed by the native culture. those people formed new ways of living, new habits, new traditions, new icons, they excluded what they thought was the native culture meaning mostly excluding white people and attracted those who were younger and growing disenfranchized, eventually you wernt black unless you were like them

Black people have been integral with American history since the inception, grim and unwilling as their participation may have been.

The problems came about

when standards were dropped.

The Great Society did SO much harm.

if you relate to a slave, if you emulate with a slave, and you have only slaves to look up to, youll choose anything else

you and i have thousands of culture heros stretching back thousands of years

1964 minus 1863

africans have the least and more of their cultural hero's are forgotten every year

What makes it problematic to point out where things started to go sour

is that it happened at about the same time as Jim Crow being struck down.

all im saying is that it makes since for immigrant desendents to recent the native culture

In fact, many people attribute it to Jim Crow, itself.

You're partially right, in a way

It wasn't slavery, per se

resent* rezent, im not sure how its spelled

But an impoverished community having their standards lowered from that of their fellow man

combined with a culture being funded that promoted a helpless attitude about the whole thing

These things, of course, coming from a time where racism WAS far more prevalent and acceptable

There were mistakes made, and there were intentional steps taken

and it's hard to tell which ones were which

But if you spot the most successful, sound minded black people, they've got a built in sense of personal responsibility and self-actualization

one that in the standard culture is ridiculed.

handling african american rehabilitation into the untited states after slavory needed to be with a lot of care. its actually a testamont to the endurence of human spirit in my opinion that they have managed to come this far because they were at a disadvantage like no other group of people has ever been in human history

Hence my point: The money that did change hands to the black community

Did not happen from the black community itself

It had to come from somewhere.

not even in a racial manor, though i think that was part of it. but from slaves to having to compete on the same terms with slave owners and natives who had centurys of built up wealth

You have to look at what was funded.

Civil Rights groups like the NAACP, whose entire existance DEPENDS on black oppression

anyway its a bigger thing than black people in the usa

because that video this conversation comes out of is scotland

which is why im speaking in terms of immigrants and not black people specificly

I hate to score an own-goal here concerning other arguments

or people without an ethnic or relatibly ethnic background in the culture they live in

but you have to consider, for a split second

that the problematic guy in the video