Message from @Mr. Nessel

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2020-02-11 17:05:28 UTC  

They lived in the desert to begin with because Bantus killed most of them

2020-02-11 17:06:00 UTC  

Of course nobody calls the Bantu expansion genocidal tho

2020-02-11 17:06:14 UTC  

of course not

2020-02-11 17:07:17 UTC  

well i guess the question is also if they had better characteristics than the bantu, to know if it was a loss or not

2020-02-11 17:07:45 UTC  

besides the biodiversity argument

2020-02-11 17:08:27 UTC  

or i guess an ethnonationalist one

2020-02-11 17:09:18 UTC  

in my eyes europeans thrived pretty much everywhere they set foot on

2020-02-11 17:09:49 UTC  

i guess that makes me more of an imperialist or colonialist or something

2020-02-11 17:10:41 UTC  

but thats completely unworkable rn so i will take ethnonationalism

2020-02-11 17:11:27 UTC  

I agree that Europeans can do well pretty much everywhere and aren't wrong to spread around considering that's just what everyone does (no use to bind yourself to a higher self imposed standard)

2020-02-11 17:11:38 UTC  

And yes we need to look inside atm

2020-02-11 17:12:17 UTC  

As far as colonialism etc. is concerned I don't like mistreating subjects and whatnot

2020-02-11 17:12:27 UTC  

There's a respectable way to go about things

2020-02-11 17:13:00 UTC  

is war mistreatment?

2020-02-11 17:13:23 UTC  

Depends on how it is waged

2020-02-11 17:13:38 UTC  

Involving civillians isn't ok

2020-02-11 17:14:48 UTC  

what if you just fight the fighters and give ppl a chance to leave to some third country

2020-02-11 17:15:57 UTC  

I support giving them a chance to vacate places when feasable but of course that rarely will result in all leaving

2020-02-11 17:16:48 UTC  

Looking more at it actually seems like one of the generals in Namibia was genocidal and there was killing of unarmed people

2020-02-11 17:17:11 UTC  

german general?

2020-02-11 17:17:23 UTC  

Yeah Lothar von Trotha

2020-02-11 17:17:42 UTC  

Had the army occupy water places

2020-02-11 17:18:09 UTC  

that was my starting assumption, i dont think my father would have made a big deal out of it if it was just combatants

2020-02-11 17:18:18 UTC  

Then as the Herero were starved and dehydrated he killed them many of them being unarmed or women/children

2020-02-11 17:19:00 UTC  

I was thinking it's a bit messy because the actually armed people were taking their whole families with them

2020-02-11 17:20:40 UTC  

if you actually take them close to the battlefield then dont be surprised about what happens

2020-02-11 17:21:42 UTC  

It used to be standard practice during more primitive times actually

2020-02-11 17:21:59 UTC  

People would always take their families and whatnot on campaign

2020-02-11 17:22:31 UTC  

I think Alexander the great was actually the one who ended that which allowed him to sweep through Persia much more easily

2020-02-11 17:24:14 UTC  

conquering vast swaths of land seems kinda pointless, you can never occupy it for more than a few years because that takes way too many men

2020-02-11 17:24:43 UTC  

They could by using locals

2020-02-11 17:24:54 UTC  

The empire broke up because of Antipater though

2020-02-11 17:25:16 UTC  

Killed Alexander's son so the empire ended up split amongst the Diadochi

2020-02-11 17:25:32 UTC  

Which lead to hellenism spreading to India and whatnot

2020-02-11 17:27:36 UTC  

i only read alexanders wikipedia article on a train ride so im not too familiar

2020-02-11 17:28:20 UTC  

the whole expansion into india went pretty poorly didnt it

2020-02-11 17:28:23 UTC  

Basically Alexander just took over the preexisting Persian satrapy system

2020-02-11 17:28:39 UTC  

The expansion into India didn't happen at all

2020-02-11 17:28:45 UTC  

Soldiers mutinied

2020-02-11 17:29:04 UTC  

But under the Seleucids they tried I think

2020-02-11 17:29:11 UTC  

Ended up in some sor tof settlement