Message from @Fighting Gold
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They didn't kill the Volga Germans
And since the fall of the Soviet Union a lot have moved from Russia/Kazakhstan back to Germany
In principle any German can return actually afaik
So say a German from Namibia could
my father really likes bringing up the large number of africans that germans in namibia sent into the desert to die, and how there are still mounds of their bones today
The Herero uprising yes
It gets taught as the first German comitted genocide where I live
Education varies quite a bit depending on the region though
Afaik it wasn't Germans attacking them unprovoked and there was rape and whatnot which of course they say were just racist lies or whatever
Idk if it's fair to call it a genocide considering the nature of tribal warfare where entire tribes get moblized to fight
So in effect driving combatants into the desert would be vastly more devastating
I certainly don't think it was as unprovoked as say the Armenian genocide where they just sent innocent civilians into the desert
even so, thats just how the world used to work and still does to some extent. Its not like african tribes werent genociding each other before the germans went there and afterwards
It's regrettable because those tribes precisely are some of the last surviving non Bantus
They lived in the desert to begin with because Bantus killed most of them
Of course nobody calls the Bantu expansion genocidal tho
of course not
well i guess the question is also if they had better characteristics than the bantu, to know if it was a loss or not
besides the biodiversity argument
in my eyes europeans thrived pretty much everywhere they set foot on
i guess that makes me more of an imperialist or colonialist or something
but thats completely unworkable rn so i will take ethnonationalism
I agree that Europeans can do well pretty much everywhere and aren't wrong to spread around considering that's just what everyone does (no use to bind yourself to a higher self imposed standard)
And yes we need to look inside atm
As far as colonialism etc. is concerned I don't like mistreating subjects and whatnot
There's a respectable way to go about things
is war mistreatment?
Depends on how it is waged
Involving civillians isn't ok
what if you just fight the fighters and give ppl a chance to leave to some third country
I support giving them a chance to vacate places when feasable but of course that rarely will result in all leaving
Looking more at it actually seems like one of the generals in Namibia was genocidal and there was killing of unarmed people
german general?
Yeah Lothar von Trotha
Had the army occupy water places
that was my starting assumption, i dont think my father would have made a big deal out of it if it was just combatants
Then as the Herero were starved and dehydrated he killed them many of them being unarmed or women/children
I was thinking it's a bit messy because the actually armed people were taking their whole families with them
if you actually take them close to the battlefield then dont be surprised about what happens