Message from @Mr. Nessel

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2020-02-11 17:04:25 UTC  

even so, thats just how the world used to work and still does to some extent. Its not like african tribes werent genociding each other before the germans went there and afterwards

2020-02-11 17:05:11 UTC  

It's regrettable because those tribes precisely are some of the last surviving non Bantus

2020-02-11 17:05:28 UTC  

They lived in the desert to begin with because Bantus killed most of them

2020-02-11 17:06:00 UTC  

Of course nobody calls the Bantu expansion genocidal tho

2020-02-11 17:06:14 UTC  

of course not

2020-02-11 17:07:17 UTC  

well i guess the question is also if they had better characteristics than the bantu, to know if it was a loss or not

2020-02-11 17:07:45 UTC  

besides the biodiversity argument

2020-02-11 17:08:27 UTC  

or i guess an ethnonationalist one

2020-02-11 17:09:18 UTC  

in my eyes europeans thrived pretty much everywhere they set foot on

2020-02-11 17:09:49 UTC  

i guess that makes me more of an imperialist or colonialist or something

2020-02-11 17:10:41 UTC  

but thats completely unworkable rn so i will take ethnonationalism

2020-02-11 17:11:27 UTC  

I agree that Europeans can do well pretty much everywhere and aren't wrong to spread around considering that's just what everyone does (no use to bind yourself to a higher self imposed standard)

2020-02-11 17:11:38 UTC  

And yes we need to look inside atm

2020-02-11 17:12:17 UTC  

As far as colonialism etc. is concerned I don't like mistreating subjects and whatnot

2020-02-11 17:12:27 UTC  

There's a respectable way to go about things

2020-02-11 17:13:00 UTC  

is war mistreatment?

2020-02-11 17:13:23 UTC  

Depends on how it is waged

2020-02-11 17:13:38 UTC  

Involving civillians isn't ok

2020-02-11 17:14:48 UTC  

what if you just fight the fighters and give ppl a chance to leave to some third country

2020-02-11 17:15:57 UTC  

I support giving them a chance to vacate places when feasable but of course that rarely will result in all leaving

2020-02-11 17:16:48 UTC  

Looking more at it actually seems like one of the generals in Namibia was genocidal and there was killing of unarmed people

2020-02-11 17:17:11 UTC  

german general?

2020-02-11 17:17:23 UTC  

Yeah Lothar von Trotha

2020-02-11 17:17:42 UTC  

Had the army occupy water places

2020-02-11 17:18:09 UTC  

that was my starting assumption, i dont think my father would have made a big deal out of it if it was just combatants

2020-02-11 17:18:18 UTC  

Then as the Herero were starved and dehydrated he killed them many of them being unarmed or women/children

2020-02-11 17:19:00 UTC  

I was thinking it's a bit messy because the actually armed people were taking their whole families with them

2020-02-11 17:20:40 UTC  

if you actually take them close to the battlefield then dont be surprised about what happens

2020-02-11 17:21:42 UTC  

It used to be standard practice during more primitive times actually

2020-02-11 17:21:59 UTC  

People would always take their families and whatnot on campaign

2020-02-11 17:22:31 UTC  

I think Alexander the great was actually the one who ended that which allowed him to sweep through Persia much more easily

2020-02-11 17:24:14 UTC  

conquering vast swaths of land seems kinda pointless, you can never occupy it for more than a few years because that takes way too many men

2020-02-11 17:24:43 UTC  

They could by using locals

2020-02-11 17:24:54 UTC  

The empire broke up because of Antipater though

2020-02-11 17:25:16 UTC  

Killed Alexander's son so the empire ended up split amongst the Diadochi

2020-02-11 17:25:32 UTC  

Which lead to hellenism spreading to India and whatnot

2020-02-11 17:27:36 UTC  

i only read alexanders wikipedia article on a train ride so im not too familiar

2020-02-11 17:28:20 UTC  

the whole expansion into india went pretty poorly didnt it

2020-02-11 17:28:23 UTC  

Basically Alexander just took over the preexisting Persian satrapy system

2020-02-11 17:28:39 UTC  

The expansion into India didn't happen at all

2020-02-11 17:28:45 UTC  

Soldiers mutinied