Message from @Mr. Nessel

Discord ID: 676834623841370163


2020-02-11 16:42:45 UTC  

RT Deutsch is russia today (german)

2020-02-11 16:42:54 UTC  

russian state tv

2020-02-11 16:44:09 UTC  

the host vaguely argues in favor of authoritarianism and collectivism, but withholds most of his values

2020-02-11 16:46:03 UTC  

im not against it, i know german tv is state controlled too but i just discovered this host so cant judge him well yet

2020-02-11 16:46:54 UTC  

RT is well liked by Russo-Germans

2020-02-11 16:47:08 UTC  

Who got here via the law of return or whatsitcalled

2020-02-11 16:47:20 UTC  

he does say trump and various right wing politicians across europe are charlatans, but is so vague that its unclear if he comes from our perspective or the opposite one

2020-02-11 16:51:37 UTC  

germans were allowed to return to germany? i would have guessed the russians killed almost all

2020-02-11 16:52:05 UTC  
2020-02-11 16:52:21 UTC  

No the German minority in Russia got relocated

2020-02-11 16:52:32 UTC  

They didn't kill the Volga Germans

2020-02-11 16:53:03 UTC  

And since the fall of the Soviet Union a lot have moved from Russia/Kazakhstan back to Germany

2020-02-11 16:53:29 UTC  

In principle any German can return actually afaik

2020-02-11 16:53:53 UTC  

So say a German from Namibia could

2020-02-11 16:55:46 UTC  

my father really likes bringing up the large number of africans that germans in namibia sent into the desert to die, and how there are still mounds of their bones today

2020-02-11 16:56:29 UTC  

The Herero uprising yes

2020-02-11 16:56:46 UTC  

It gets taught as the first German comitted genocide where I live

2020-02-11 16:57:04 UTC  

Education varies quite a bit depending on the region though

2020-02-11 16:58:04 UTC  

Afaik it wasn't Germans attacking them unprovoked and there was rape and whatnot which of course they say were just racist lies or whatever

2020-02-11 16:59:09 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668910687380307969/676834623648694304/unknown.png

2020-02-11 17:02:41 UTC  

Idk if it's fair to call it a genocide considering the nature of tribal warfare where entire tribes get moblized to fight

2020-02-11 17:03:15 UTC  

So in effect driving combatants into the desert would be vastly more devastating

2020-02-11 17:04:10 UTC  

I certainly don't think it was as unprovoked as say the Armenian genocide where they just sent innocent civilians into the desert

2020-02-11 17:04:25 UTC  

even so, thats just how the world used to work and still does to some extent. Its not like african tribes werent genociding each other before the germans went there and afterwards

2020-02-11 17:05:11 UTC  

It's regrettable because those tribes precisely are some of the last surviving non Bantus

2020-02-11 17:05:28 UTC  

They lived in the desert to begin with because Bantus killed most of them

2020-02-11 17:06:00 UTC  

Of course nobody calls the Bantu expansion genocidal tho

2020-02-11 17:06:14 UTC  

of course not

2020-02-11 17:07:17 UTC  

well i guess the question is also if they had better characteristics than the bantu, to know if it was a loss or not

2020-02-11 17:07:45 UTC  

besides the biodiversity argument

2020-02-11 17:08:27 UTC  

or i guess an ethnonationalist one

2020-02-11 17:09:18 UTC  

in my eyes europeans thrived pretty much everywhere they set foot on

2020-02-11 17:09:49 UTC  

i guess that makes me more of an imperialist or colonialist or something

2020-02-11 17:10:41 UTC  

but thats completely unworkable rn so i will take ethnonationalism

2020-02-11 17:11:27 UTC  

I agree that Europeans can do well pretty much everywhere and aren't wrong to spread around considering that's just what everyone does (no use to bind yourself to a higher self imposed standard)

2020-02-11 17:11:38 UTC  

And yes we need to look inside atm

2020-02-11 17:12:17 UTC  

As far as colonialism etc. is concerned I don't like mistreating subjects and whatnot

2020-02-11 17:12:27 UTC  

There's a respectable way to go about things

2020-02-11 17:13:00 UTC  

is war mistreatment?

2020-02-11 17:13:23 UTC  

Depends on how it is waged