Message from @Mr. Nessel

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2020-03-06 12:29:46 UTC  

anyways to conclude Austro hungary was on verge of collapse by 1918.after thy implode entete would launch a lightning invasion of austria and then push into german lowlands from there

2020-03-06 12:30:21 UTC  

so no not even the rhine defence would save germany 8n this scenario

2020-03-06 12:30:29 UTC  

That's ignoring the reasons for Austria Hungaries "collapse"

2020-03-06 12:30:50 UTC  

First of all food shortages which would be adressed through eastern gains and the loss of the Rhineland

2020-03-06 12:30:58 UTC  

Beat Italy on the Piave, take Venice, and knock them out of the war. That helps you right there

2020-03-06 12:31:07 UTC  

Secondly military pressure from the Entente in Greece and Romania

2020-03-06 12:31:41 UTC  

Which can be handled if Germany sent more men freed up through a better defensive line in the west and no spring offensive

2020-03-06 12:32:30 UTC  

Come to think of it, Italy never entering the war helps the CP in huge ways

2020-03-06 12:32:40 UTC  

I don't know if they could manage to outright defeat Greece but they could stabilize the front since the Balkans are one huge ass series of easily defendable terrain

2020-03-06 12:33:23 UTC  

Beating Italy would be hard to do because of the mountainous terrain of the Alps

2020-03-06 12:33:44 UTC  

Then taking Venice might not make them capitulate, at least I don't think so

2020-03-06 12:34:24 UTC  

And Venice and its surroundings are much harder to dfened because tanks could be effectively deployed by the Entente

2020-03-06 12:35:26 UTC  

Unless the central powers at that point build some tanks too giving them more of an offensive capability

2020-03-06 12:35:57 UTC  

But I wouldn't know by when they would be able to have tanks or if they even would make any if they give up the Rhineland

2020-03-06 12:37:11 UTC  

I mostly think that the war could be "won" by staying on the defense and making it supremely painfull manpower wise to advance further on the central powers

2020-03-06 12:37:42 UTC  

After which you would have to gradually get Entente members to drop out with token concessions

2020-03-06 12:38:22 UTC  

The real question would be when the first major participant after America drops out the war

2020-03-06 12:39:15 UTC  

I think Italy and France are too belligerent to give up easily, Italy because of the sunk cost fallacy, France because it would hold the Rhineland

2020-03-06 12:40:24 UTC  

So I think the first one after America to go simply because of war weariness would be Britain through a negotiated peace

2020-03-06 12:40:44 UTC  

Say they get Germany's colonies or whatever and something from the Ottomans

2020-03-06 12:41:04 UTC  

If Britain is out so is Belgium imo

2020-03-06 12:42:25 UTC  

Japan would also drop out easily for German colonies in the Pacific and Tsingtau

2020-03-06 12:42:47 UTC  

Leaving only France and Italy as major participants

2020-03-06 14:08:45 UTC  

this chat

2020-03-06 14:08:53 UTC  

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2020-03-09 08:10:29 UTC  

Anybody here has some good books/articles about ancient Greeks and their culture? Particularly something that provides counter argument for their homo-society narrative.

2020-03-09 08:23:28 UTC  

I need an antidote for a fa8 of a "professor" of mine.

2020-03-10 21:17:46 UTC  

Greater Georgia

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/672211254219374602/687046569253535801/Democratic_Republic_of_Georgia_en.svg.png

2020-03-10 21:21:06 UTC  

@TheEternalSearcher π Šπ ” huh. where is greater armenia

2020-03-10 21:30:16 UTC  

I have not found a map that includes all the territory that Armenia claimed. I had a similar problem with Greece but i made my own map there:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/672211254219374602/687049712289054730/EM_-_1_-_Copy.png

2020-03-10 22:55:05 UTC  

Its frustrating that the Greeks don't have the population to maintain control over such a region

2020-03-10 23:08:59 UTC  

Agree

2020-03-11 08:23:36 UTC  

They never had, I suppose, the Byzantine Realm had tons of minorities. Nowadays, however, in the age of majority rule, nation states and national self-determination, you cannot get away with this anymore

2020-03-11 08:25:27 UTC  

One advantage of monarchism was that the monarch was often a foreigner. Some didn't speak their national tongue (think Frederick the Great) or followed a foreign culture. In any case, ruling families were usually, to some extent, cosmopolitan. That eased a lot of tension.

2020-03-11 10:10:15 UTC  

At least back in the day they could rely on Greek as a lingua Franca and orthodoxy and the sort of imperial loyalty/myth to smooth over the rest

2020-03-11 10:11:22 UTC  

If they were going to retake all of Turkey today they would have to basically conscript their entire population just to keep it

2020-03-11 10:12:04 UTC  

You could do away with the Kurdish part and let Armenians have some of the clay too. Maybe invite other orthodox people

2020-03-11 10:12:54 UTC  

Still it's more realistic that the bulk of Turkey be governed by a variety of nations that actually have the capacity to hold it with the coast etc. going to Greece

2020-03-11 22:20:23 UTC  

Assyrians would also be glad to grab some land in southern Anatolia

2020-03-12 20:27:50 UTC  

Hot take
The Commissar order was justified