yes

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Yeah the "post-partum abortion" meme is really just infanticide

As soon as the fetus is outside of the body the pregnancy is effectively over, so at that point you aren't aborting a pregnancy, you're just killing undesirable offspring

bundle of cells that has exited the womb you mean

There is a discussion to be had about when personhood begins. I don't like abortions of healthy white fetuses without good reasons (the vast majority of cases is for shitty reasons) like having been raped regardless of the fetus being a person or not

Personhood should probably begin at conception as a general rule

Seems like it makes the most sense

I think that doesn't really make sense

A fertilized egg isn't a chicken

Technically its just a very young chicken

I wouldn't call it a chicken

Why?

Because it's a fertilized egg

Not an animal

Obviously at some point it does become a chicken

The egg stage is just the early stage ( one might say larval stage :^) ) of the chicken. The egg is a evolutionary protective adaptation for the animal inside which permits it safety to grow and mature.

The egg shell is just like a playpen for a baby chicken basically

Is a semen half a person then?

Its a necessary ingredient to begin human life

Then so is a zygote

A zygote is a very young human

That's nonsense

The human lifespan covers the moment of cell fertilization to the moment of death

It's hard to draw a line Kermit

Your life doesn't start 9 months after conception lol

No more than you're alive 9 months after death

Life is not personhood

A goldfish isn't a person just because it's alive

Right personhood is just the social recognition of a life like a human life

No

You can just legally take away anyone's personhood but that doesn't change the facts of their being alive etc

Personhood is entirely separate from being alive

Somebody who is braindead is alive

But lacks personhood for the moment

Well you couldn't say "somebody" you'd have to say "something"

A baby can be born and survive outside of the womb earlier than 9 months

In any case if someone is braindead yeah people often revoke their personhood

If a braindead human doesn't ever wake up again you are in essence talking about a corpse

That depends on your values really

So yes it's a thing at that point