At the time, individualism and classical liberal values seemed to be the best response to progressivism and hard-left-wing ideology, because anything is better than a blatant libtard.

I'm still not cleansed or have washed off modernity, but I'm working to get there.

I never listened to him

Found him boring

He's a good gateway to mild right-wing ideas though. The problem is when people actually don't go further than him with the genesis of right-wing thought.

Now, someone like, say, Ben Shapiro, on the other hand, now there's a prick.

Peterson’s message is extremely valuable insofar as it argues for Christianity from a distinctly scientific and Darwinist perspective, which is nearly ubiquitous among young men in the postmodern west.

You’d have to be retarded not to understand the power and significance of that

Granted, he’s at best a stepping stone into the broader right-wing line of thought, rather than an end in himself

Although Peterson is an atheist

Eh

Well there’s an interesting discussion there

Of whether one can be a Christian in his actions

And whether that is sufficient for our ends

I’d rather live in a country of atheists acting out traditional Christian lives than a communist third world Christian country like Angola

Where their “Christianity” is just liberation theology anyway

You're either Christian or you are not.

Peterson is not.

I’ve seen several people claim that they became far right through Peterson

My issue is Peterson is his obsession with individualism, how he upholds it and rejects group identity, whether it be religious, ethnic, cultural, none of that matters because your ancestors don’t have *any* effect on your current actions

He legitimately said once that you should not celebrate what they did because *they did that*, you *didn’t*, which is preposterous

Peterson is pretty irrelevant at this point and always was overrated

Peterson is irrelevant, yeah.

I don't like Norik's pessimistic outlook. Also just looking at history the mutligenerational struggle idea is a joke
Grassroots doesn't work, especially if your group stops being a majority

Communists had this idea of the inevitability of communism which just ended up sedating them

I didn’t even see him as that big a thing

Anyone who might go through some sort of Peterson to Reactionary pipeline has probably already done so

People have to always be aware what is at stake

Sure he owned the SJWs back in the day, but how else was he important

Any further conversation is a trickle and irrelevant now, so we can regard Peterson as the enemy that he is

Is an enemy still an enemy if he’s not a threat any longer

Yes

The main issue with conservatism is that it focuses outward

@Salvation_Crucifix B-but, DOCTOR Peterson (remember he's a doctor) says that group think and identity politics is ugly! Alt-right is an intellectual movement for weasels!

And attempts to build a coalition with groups that perpetually hate it

Exactly

Yeah, this is the real problem with Peterson, his stated aims are anti-right wing

He has explicitly stated that his goal is to coral the far right

My main issue with modern day conservatism is its obsession to be one step ahead of the left, to be seen as more tolerant and better than them

It’s a matter of pride all its own

The only reason he is interested in crazy leftism is because in his view this opens the door to reactionaries

“Why will trans reddit users who think child reassignment surgery is a good thing ever become conservative” is not the question the right should be asking?

The question should be “Why should they?”

It’s not actively fighting against them

I don’t want those people to come in