Well there’s an interesting discussion there

Of whether one can be a Christian in his actions

And whether that is sufficient for our ends

I’d rather live in a country of atheists acting out traditional Christian lives than a communist third world Christian country like Angola

Where their “Christianity” is just liberation theology anyway

You're either Christian or you are not.

Peterson is not.

I’ve seen several people claim that they became far right through Peterson

My issue is Peterson is his obsession with individualism, how he upholds it and rejects group identity, whether it be religious, ethnic, cultural, none of that matters because your ancestors don’t have *any* effect on your current actions

He legitimately said once that you should not celebrate what they did because *they did that*, you *didn’t*, which is preposterous

Peterson is pretty irrelevant at this point and always was overrated

Peterson is irrelevant, yeah.

I don't like Norik's pessimistic outlook. Also just looking at history the mutligenerational struggle idea is a joke
Grassroots doesn't work, especially if your group stops being a majority

Communists had this idea of the inevitability of communism which just ended up sedating them

I didn’t even see him as that big a thing

Anyone who might go through some sort of Peterson to Reactionary pipeline has probably already done so

People have to always be aware what is at stake

Sure he owned the SJWs back in the day, but how else was he important

Any further conversation is a trickle and irrelevant now, so we can regard Peterson as the enemy that he is

Is an enemy still an enemy if he’s not a threat any longer

Yes

The main issue with conservatism is that it focuses outward

@Salvation_Crucifix B-but, DOCTOR Peterson (remember he's a doctor) says that group think and identity politics is ugly! Alt-right is an intellectual movement for weasels!

And attempts to build a coalition with groups that perpetually hate it

Exactly

Yeah, this is the real problem with Peterson, his stated aims are anti-right wing

He has explicitly stated that his goal is to coral the far right

My main issue with modern day conservatism is its obsession to be one step ahead of the left, to be seen as more tolerant and better than them

It’s a matter of pride all its own

The only reason he is interested in crazy leftism is because in his view this opens the door to reactionaries

“Why will trans reddit users who think child reassignment surgery is a good thing ever become conservative” is not the question the right should be asking?

The question should be “Why should they?”

It’s not actively fighting against them

I don’t want those people to come in

And shift the overton leftward

It’s not saying “these are our values and we will defend them” it’s saying “we’ll take their values and make them our own”

We shouldn’t come to other ideological groups

They should show respect

And come to us

A diseased mentally ill man who thinks he’s a woman is fine as long as he’s wearing a red hat that says MAGA

I’d rather shift leftists rightward than rightists leftward

Conservative Inc wants the opposite

Redemption from degeneracy is a concept that Charlie Kirk rejects

He doesn’t want to make people better. He wants us to meet leftism by becoming worse

@21ooAB And why? Because he wants to be seen as tolerant and he wants to build up his own supporter base that will in turn support Trump

*And Israel*