Message from @RyeNorth
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Who gets to vote?
As a producer in this society, I would like to leave.
I got a feeling of where that was going.
What, exactly, prevents a person from just becoming a non-producer, anyway?
I dunno. I've been thinking about this sort of thing for a while. Been reading books on AI and UBI.
what is UBI
Universal Basic Income.
I have a feeling that as more and more complex tasks become automated, that more and more people will find themselves unemployable, or else will find that their labor is worth less than the cost of living.
But conversely, those few highly intelligent and skilled individuals will find their labor in extremely high demand and will see their wages skyrocket.
I mean, the concept of a universal basic income only applies so long as there ARE producers. So long as there are things that people want.
And the owners of the automation technology will reap the majority of the economic surplus.
See, this is why I never liked Automation systems in Tekkit.
I think there will be producers, but we may find ourselves in a situation where producers are no longer the majority, which depending on your point of view may make universal suffrage untenable.
At a certain point the question becomes, "Why even play?"
you made me choke on my own spit
the leap from UBI to modded Minecraft
lol
what a twist
I mean, I see it very similarly.
Yeah, I understand the point about automating more stuff
The implications from the question are pretty staggering, as well. If only a few entities were automating everything, what are they automating for?
Where is the money people are purchasing things coming from? I can only see high taxes on the producers
I concede that the 95%-5% split used in my hypothetical society is unlikely, but we're on the verge of a massive transformation.
What can't be automated?
At which point, why are the producers even producing if the money is being taken away from them to supply the UBI
Saying something can't be automated just suggests a failure of imagination.
Ask Siri to tell you a joke.
Well, the producers aren't being taxed to the point of being impoverished. They'd probably still be massively wealthy simply due to the vastly increased disparity in wealrth.
Presumably they'd at least be making UBI
Like if you have an income of a billion dollars and the tax rate is 50% you're still in gold plated yacht territory.
But their work and income would have to subsidize the people who are buying stuff from them
Drinking their own piss, in a way. It's not conducive to how modern economics works.
Hence why I described the free-riders as parasitic.
The system falls apart before it gets to that point.
In that extreme hypothetical example the producers would have clear incentive to curtail the free-riders.
I should get ya'll and lotus and start up Timcast IBS
In a less clear and less extreme real-world example, the people paying taxes would have incentive to prevent increases to UBI beyond subsistence.
I know Rye can be cogent
in VC
somewhat.