Message from @Arch-Fiend

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2018-07-03 00:24:12 UTC  

```But miners and their families here say that as compelling as the money is pride in an industry in which generations of West Virginians have invested their blood, sweat and tears.```

2018-07-03 00:24:33 UTC  

weve never come close to depleting all resources from the earth, what we actually do is get to the point of the resources left being very hard to find

2018-07-03 00:24:48 UTC  

did i say earth?

2018-07-03 00:24:50 UTC  

i said US

2018-07-03 00:24:55 UTC  

same deal

2018-07-03 00:24:58 UTC  

same principle.

2018-07-03 00:25:06 UTC  

Yeah, I see Arch's side on that.

2018-07-03 00:25:17 UTC  

people have been mining in the old world for thousands of years before we started here

2018-07-03 00:25:19 UTC  

okay, fine, we have mined all the cheap stuff HERE, but not elsewhere

2018-07-03 00:25:30 UTC  

same point, do these people leave the country for work now?

2018-07-03 00:25:39 UTC  

aint no where to go

2018-07-03 00:25:46 UTC  

generations of Virginians now need to leave Virginia?

2018-07-03 00:26:20 UTC  

I really wish I could post a picture right now.

2018-07-03 00:26:54 UTC  

asia and europe are cheeply mined out now, south america, africa, australia, and antartica are the only contanents that dont have their surfaces almost completely scowered

2018-07-03 00:27:36 UTC  

the future of mining when cheep mining is done is either in those contanents or more expensive mining

2018-07-03 00:27:54 UTC  

hopefuly with technologic advancements to keep that cost down

2018-07-03 00:28:26 UTC  

however when mining gets expensive its not the people up top who are going to take smaller paychecks

2018-07-03 00:29:11 UTC  

just like how its not people up top who take smaller paychecks in farming

2018-07-03 00:30:59 UTC  

less farmers are nessicary to farm the same land while they are also paid less than that labor may actually be worth because the desire of the consumer is always for more to the extent that you could reduce the amount of food consumed in the united states by 60% without anyone NEEDING to starve but people will starve anyway because of unequal distribution of food

2018-07-03 00:31:40 UTC  

demand for food has actually reduced its value strangely

2018-07-03 00:32:16 UTC  

because its gotten so much easier to produce

2018-07-03 00:33:13 UTC  

demand didn't make it cheaper, the cost of production went down

2018-07-03 00:33:37 UTC  

i supose

2018-07-03 00:33:56 UTC  

and the laborers producing it didint see much benefit from that

2018-07-03 00:34:44 UTC  

farming seems to be historically unfriendly for labor

2018-07-03 00:35:32 UTC  

its often the work of slaves in history, when its not, usually farmers would be disrespected by land owners

2018-07-03 00:36:01 UTC  

sometimes you get a society with respect for farming but doesent seem to last

2018-07-03 00:41:37 UTC  

it doesn't last because automation is just so much better at it

2018-07-03 00:42:21 UTC  

i mean, how do you value a farm that produces much less per season, with no major advantage to it, and costs like 8 times as much?

2018-07-03 00:44:48 UTC  

it takes up lots of space, usually isn't that environmentally friendly, is very hard labor

2018-07-03 00:44:55 UTC  

its all around not a good job

2018-07-03 00:45:25 UTC  

very few if any people liked it, so we made a culture of viewing it as not that great

2018-07-03 00:56:31 UTC  

I think we agreed that the development of automation cannot be stopped. If you want to argue for what feels almost like pity jobs, ones that would probably end up being given out by the state due to the ridiculous cost to yield over automation, or a new version of the Amish, then i wish you luck. I still have hope that society evolves itself around the problem we suspect automation will cause.

2018-07-03 00:57:02 UTC  

because right now, for all we know, automation just might open up a different kids of manual labor job we haven't though of yet.

2018-07-03 00:58:32 UTC  

i super dont agree that the development of automation cannot be stopped, however i do conceed its not easy and youd have to change society

2018-07-03 01:00:03 UTC  

you'd have to undermine humanities competitive nature, and their want to do less work

2018-07-03 01:00:45 UTC  

look at how well stopping global warming has gone. and you think something whos tag line is "cheaper everything" will somehow go over better?

2018-07-03 01:02:28 UTC  

But I must take my leave for now. Have to go to the gym for an hour.

2018-07-03 10:27:16 UTC  

you wont be able to solve this problem thinking purely economicly because economicly you cant compete with "everything you want for less" this is why no form of economic system has ever competed with capitalism. you could tell people that basicly they will lose all their jobs if they try something but people will shoot back at you that they will just go on welfare and they will be right that in the best case scenario that means they never have to work but still have the same standard of living (theoreticly).

2018-07-03 10:35:21 UTC  

the only way you can compete with this idea is by teaching people to care more about something other than their own financial well being, this is where communism went wrong and ironicly where fascism and national socialism actually did something right for a change. communism tried to compete with capitalism by basicly saying anyone who wanted something would get it in their system promissing that their progress would increase while also they would end wealth disparity, they couldent actually deliver either promiss. what the nazis and fascists promissed though wasent immediate success or the end of wealth disparity rather they restructured their social system by making important things other than wealth and consumerism which changed the relationship between different classes (to some extent). it was kind of like religion to some extent which was another tool throughout history which managed to be something that the working class of a nation would care about more than their own finantial status.